Those with Andys, Do you shoe or not????

Ok.. right...not too sure what went on here, since I last posted...???????????
Just read through the thread, and theres obviously some differing in opinions... !!!!!!!

But Im so very grateful from everyone, as Its so good to hear from Andy breeders, (what a cute Bear !!!), as I do think she has rather odd feet, and I will take some pics of the soles and front view and post tomorr
Im a bit worried, as Im moving to australia, and she has to make it through quarantine, and will be in liveiry there, so its all relevent and got me thinking about how I will manage her.. ie, grass, hay etc..its very tricky when your a liveiry, whereas now shes at home, under my control..... definitely something for me to think about.
 
cptrayes said:
I did not say all owners were clueless. I did not say that they did not want to put the needs of their horses first.

And you clearly have not noticed that my advice to this poster long ago was that she may need to shoe.
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Ahh perhaps it was just the way it came across.

Yes you did, but you also made a completely untrue statement that Spanish horses did not do well without shoes, you stated this as though it were fact and it blatantly is not fact, THAT is why I challenged you. You based that on having owned one Iberian, you may have seen perhaps one or two others but in the scheme of things not very many at all. There are people on here who hang onto your every word and think it gospel because of the way you put your views forward as fact, I wanted to put the record straight because, funnily enough, I know quite a lot about Iberians.

As it happens there are not that many barefoot Spanish horses, but there are many many without shoes seen by a farrier, all of mine included.
 
Amaranta said:
Ahh perhaps it was just the way it came across.

Yes you did, but you also made a completely untrue statement that Spanish horses did not do well without shoes, you stated this as though it were fact and it blatantly is not fact, THAT is why I challenged you. You based that on having owned one Iberian, you may have seen perhaps one or two others but in the scheme of things not very many at all. There are people on here who hang onto your every word and think it gospel because of the way you put your views forward as fact, I wanted to put the record straight because, funnily enough, I know quite a lot about Iberians.

As it happens there are not that many barefoot Spanish horses, but there are many many without shoes seen by a farrier, all of mine included.
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I think, with what you have also said in mind, I will shoe her and see if she improves with the shoes, since i plan to do some road work?
 
Amaranta said:
I know quite a lot about Iberians.

As it happens there are not that many barefoot Spanish horses, but there are many many without shoes seen by a farrier, all of mine included.
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If you have any available - I'd love to see pics of the 'tin can' Iberian hooves, for my own interest.

Are they still bred that way in Spain?
 
Tamba said:
I think, with what you have also said in mind, I will shoe her and see if she improves with the shoes, since i plan to do some road work?
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I think you have made the right decision Tamba, good luck with your lovely horse :)
 
joeanne said:
May I retain you Tamba......Horseyscot is a meanie and wont tell me the name of her solicitor....I am now misrepresented!:D
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Ok,. well first tell me what your done wrong, and I will tell you if youve got a case, plus you have to pay me up front, its all in my terms of business letter, a nice lumpsum will do for a start !!!!!!!!!
 
Amaranta said:
Ahh perhaps it was just the way it came across.

Yes you did, but you also made a completely untrue statement that Spanish horses did not do well without shoes, you stated this as though it were fact and it blatantly is not fact, THAT is why I challenged you. You based that on having owned one Iberian, you may have seen perhaps one or two others but in the scheme of things not very many at all. There are people on here who hang onto your every word and think it gospel because of the way you put your views forward as fact, I wanted to put the record straight because, funnily enough, I know quite a lot about Iberians.

As it happens there are not that many barefoot Spanish horses, but there are many many without shoes seen by a farrier, all of mine included.
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Oh for heavens sake! I said many Spanish horses have a problem with barefoot if they get too much grass. You have already agreed with me that as a breed more of them are more difficult with carbs than many other breeds. You don't know how many I know of, so please don't assume it's one or two. It's not.

I don't think anyone on this forum hangs on my every word. There are a group of us who help people who ask for help as best we can.

Barefoot/shoeless/unshod are different words for the same thing. I'm sure there are plenty of Spanish with no shoes on. I owned one myself. That was never in doubt. Good trimmers are good trimmers whether they are farriers or not so I am completely bemused what point you are trying to make there
 
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Oberon said:
If you have any available - I'd love to see pics of the 'tin can' Iberian hooves, for my own interest.

Are they still bred that way in Spain?
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I've got loads of mine with perfect feet :)

Will try and dig some up for you Oberon.

Some breeders still have the odd one with these feet (throwbacks I presume) but they are less in evidence these days - thankfully :)
 
Horseyscot said:
Thought you were away to bed..:p;):D And just for the record... I said if you needed the number of a good solicitor you just needed to ask:mad:


:D:D:D:D:D
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Bed???? You seen the amount of skittles I have eaten?
And anyway I dont need your solicitor no more......got ma own!!!!:D
Its was S'teamed that was going to bed anyways.......lightweight:rolleyes:
 
"Its was S'teamed that was going to bed anyways.......lightweight"

... Yeah. She just doesn't have the staying power these days :D
 
Amaranta said:
I've got loads of mine with perfect feet :)

Will try and dig some up for you Oberon.

Some breeders still have the odd one with these feet (throwbacks I presume) but they are less in evidence these days - thankfully :)
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Thank you. If they are less common now, I'd like to catch a glimpse to be able to recognise them in the future.

I did Google for 'old fashioned Spanish hooves' but it doesn't get you want - it gets you some scary images you don't wish to see
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Amaranta said:
I've got loads of mine with perfect feet :)

Will try and dig some up for you Oberon.

Some breeders still have the odd one with these feet (throwbacks I presume) but they are less in evidence these days - thankfully :)
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I would also like to see them,as I am not sure what they look like, or whether my mare has these tin can feet!!!!, (sounds awful)
Thankyou again for all the information you have posted, very interesting to read, and thanks to CPtrays as well, as its all relevant.
 
Oberon said:
Thank you. If they are less common now, I'd like to catch a glimpse to be able to recognise them in the future.

I did Google for 'old fashioned Spanish hooves' but it doesn't get you want - it gets you some scary images you don't wish to see
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I just had to google it - CHICKEN FEET :eek:
 
Amaranta when I took on mine, his owner told me that when he was in Portugal for several years he lived in all the time and had very upright, "typically Iberian" feet. When she brought him to the UK his heels got much lower and his toe longer. (too much, but that's a different story).

The site you have pointed to makes a reference to the practice of stabling a lot leading to upright feet. Would you agree with that?

It would be interesting to know how much you turn yours out and whether you think it helps them have better shape feet, in addition to having bred them for better shaped feet over a number of years?

The single example I've had would suggest that some of them will produce upright feet if they don't get enough movement even though they are capable of producing good feet if they do. Do you think that's a possibility?
 
Amaranta said:
I just had to google it - CHICKEN FEET :eek:
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I DID try to warn you :p

What just struck me when Pete Ramey was observing mustangs and their hooves in 2007, he saw an older stallion with really uncharacteristic high heels.

Bearing in mind the mindset of 'wild horse trimming' had previously (and still is with some trimming organisations) been focused on Short Toe, Low Heel - and yet here was this vibrant, healthy, stallion with heels you could see from a mile away.

It was natural for him to be that way.

I wonder if he could have been a tin can candidate?

The take home message for me was to never assume anything with hoof form because there's always an awkward nag to prove us all wrong :p
 
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