Those with coloured horses.....

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....did you have them from foals? Or have seen pictures of them when they were very young?

As you know, our little Legacy was born 4 and a half days ago
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and she was born chestnut but it is very very apparent that she is going to be grey........however, I am not totally convinced that she won't be coloured. Her grey is coming through lots just in the past couple of days....but there are areas where there appears to be no grey underneath, her mane for example although her tail is raving grey today.

So my question is this; was your coloureds apparent at birth and has anyone had a foal born solid coloured who has then come in coloured?

Okay I listened
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, here's a piccy taken of her yesterday:

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And here's a nice picture of Cloud taken yesterday; I think she looks lovely in this piccy......it's so odd to see her slim again after all these months.

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such a cutie. All the coloureds I've seen as foals were born coloured. I bought a 4 months old coloured pony off a friend a few years back who was liver chestnut and white and is now blue and white like her mum but she very definitely coloured when born...
Was Cloud an iron grey when she was young..maybe Legacy will be the same..
 
the place where I kept my boy bred coloureds and they were all born coloured, although not always the same colours they grew up to be.
 
Sorry to say that Spider was definately coloured when he was born....

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As have been all the other coloureds that I have seen.
I would think it very unlikely that a solid coloured foal would go coloured but am happy to be proved wrong. Grey, yes, but two tone, no.
If you think about it, the white bits on coloured horses are actually white, not grey. What I mean is that you never see a black and dappled grey piebald.

Sorry if it's not the answer you want, but I expect little Legacy will be grey.
 
Cloud was black when she was born. When I bought her she was completely iron grey, hardly any white at all except a large white star. She then went through the dappled stage and as the years have gone on she has turned lighter each year.

You see, that is the same as my experiences - I've only ever seen coloureds be born coloured and not growing into coloureds, if you know what I mean. BUT Legacy's undercoat is quite distinctly different in different areas of her body. Most of it is raving grey....but parts of it appear to have no underlying grey whatsoever.
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What about if she was a roan though? Just thought about it and her Father is a roan tobiano....so she could be roan right? Which would explain the red mane with no grey??
 
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Sorry if it's not the answer you want, but I expect little Legacy will be grey

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Oh no, on the contrary, it's EXACTLY the answer I wanted!
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We were hoping for a grey filly, a coloured would have been nice too, but grey is best as that is what Cloud is.
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How interesting Tia! I will watch with interest as the weeks/months pass.

I could imagine a solid coat horse roaning out as they aged but would imagine a horse like Patches, for instance, was born distinctly dark grey/black and white and the blue (grey) areas have just faded as she's aged. Certainly have faded alot since the pictures of her as a 3 year old. Interestingly now, Patches "blue" areas are heavily spotted (I guess that's a flea bitten grey marking). Shame they don't show on photos really as it's quite distinctive when you see her in the flesh.

Mind you, solid coated Appaloosas often don't spot out until they age, so surely there must be a possibility of pigment change?
 
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We could be onto something here Clare
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. Will keep you posted. I find it so interesting.

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Well we definitely need very regular photo updates now
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I don't know about the Appys, I thought that if they were solid coloured then they remained solid coloured? All of the Appy foals I've seen have already got their spots when tiny.

It is interesting though - maybe someone on here will know for sure how it works? Druid is usually good on colours and genetics.

Great excuse eh, both Clares, gives me the perfect opportunity to bore the pants off you all with loads of photos, LOL!!
 
Well my aunt and I were just talking about this today. She told me that if there are any markings that can be considered paint markings (etc) the skin will be a different color in the areas that will be markings. She is trying to figure this out for her filly from last spring as she has one whit patch, but the skin pigment under it is very much the same as the rest of her.
Is the skin a solid even color or are there variations or patches on it?


btw...If I sound like an idiot , just ignore me. I really have no idea tbh
 
Yes I have tried to see whether this is the case but unfortunately she is soooo fluffy I can't seem to be able to get a decent view of the skin underneath.....but I'm going to make it my mission now LOL!!!
 
I would definitely think shes going to be Strawberry Roan (yay, love them!) or just grey. My friend had the most gorgeous Strawberry Roan dinky Welsh A born last year but she was born roan as in she didn't change colour. She is absolutely gorgeous- 4 white socks, a perfect star, darker head and just so so so cute, I've got a pic somewhere.

I think coloureds are born coloured, never heard of one turning into one, but could be wrong.

Off topic a bit, but my 2 foals will definitely either be Black, Bay or Chestnut Tobiano and will be Spider's half brothers/sisters.
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I've bred quite a few foals, by a trad. col. stallion out of whole coloured mares. The stallion fetched 75% coloureds from these mares and they were all born coloured and didn't change at all as they grew older. The other 25% whole coloured foals stayed as they were and didn't change as they grew older.

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Hope this is of some help.
 
Righty...Dad is Bay Roan Tobiano. Cloud is Grey (born black? or born chestnut?)

Dad is bay based - so he's black base with an agouti restictor (restricts black to point markings). (Ee)

Assuming Cloud was born black (for some reason I think she was - you might have mentioned it) she is black base with *no* agouti. (EE)

Foal as is...mealy/pangare chestnut.

But...Chesnut requires (ee) meaning that she can't be "true" chestnut and this is only her foal coat. So, she can either be EE (black - which she's not!) or Ee (bay).

So...she's bay based.

Now, modifiers. Shes has 3 (overt) modifiers inheritable from her parents.

Tobiano - she would have been born coloured, they are always born coloured...the locus must be "switched on" from birth so the modification will be visible from birth (unlike, say, appy spots which are an age charcteristic). So, no tobiano.

Roan & Grey - look at where she's lightening from...her legs/belly ...back to front. That's typical for roaning. However, a roan will ALWAYS have dark legs, mane & tail...which rules roan out!! Unless roan as you refer to it is not "classic" roan but "american" roan (Sabianco/Rabianco)...however the areas affected don't really fit with those modifiers.


Soooo...in summary
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She's bay based going grey!
 
That's great! Thank you so much.
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Dad is tri-coloured; black, bay roan and white tobiano to be exact; I always forget he is part black.

Legacy has a lot of grey in her tail, lots and lots on her back, belly and pretty much all the way up to her shoulders...but then she goes very orange. Orange mane with barely any grey hairs....but then we get to her head; the base of her ears are very grey and the tips of her ears are grey. Her legs are blondey, buckskiny colour (not the normal chestnut foal blonde though) with a couple of white socks. Quite odd.

It will be interesting for me to watch the transformation and to be honest I don't think it will take very long as she is looking greyer every day.

Much appreciated, thanks
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Tilly was born here and was and is most definitely coloured. I have a friend who breeds Arabs and all hers are either chestnut or grey. However, those that are born chestnut always go grey and those that are born grey, go chetnut.
 
Wouldn't a more specific question be has anyone got a blue and white coloured horse that they've had from a foal?

So if I'm trying to follow your thinking - surely the two colours ie the blue and white patches, are both shades of grey therefore her chestnut foal coat could shed to grey but the two shades depending on the underlying skin colour?

Having seen a bay mare and nearly black stallion produce our weird spotted cream monster, I think anything is possible!
 
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Wouldn't a more specific question be has anyone got a blue and white coloured horse that they've had from a foal?

So if I'm trying to follow your thinking - surely the two colours ie the blue and white patches, are both shades of grey therefore her chestnut foal coat could shed to grey but the two shades depending on the underlying skin colour?

Having seen a bay mare and nearly black stallion produce our weird spotted cream monster, I think anything is possible!

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I have had a blue and white pony from a foal and it was born liver chesnut and white.
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