Rambo
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Thought of the day, lively debate expected (and hoped for)
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Rambo
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exactly cactus. Alot of people will buy good horses at say 5 or 6 and produce it to top level from there.
Take the Billy Stud for example. They have a massive breeding program and are producing loads and loads of very nice young horses. They have to start somewhere??
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I'm not going to say they never jump a BN, but i know that you tend to see a lot of the 'Billy Babies' come out at Disco and Newcomers. Don't forget, they will do a lot of their groundwork at home so their 4yo's will be jumping the small stuff out of the public eye and those that aren't likely to make the grade won't ever get as far as a BSJA ring....let alone a BN.
The Gustavii Stud were even more extreme, and often wouldn't take their horses out until they were ready to jump a Fox....but then as i said before, most of these places have their own facilities so can 'produce' at home.
The other thing to note i think is that most of the 'big producers' will be bringing their 4yo's to the ring for the first time in March/April time....so this is more likely to be at an outdoor venue and very likely at the bigger venues like Addington, Pyecombe etc....where the facilties are such that you don't tend to need to build tight technical courses due to the size of the arenas. The first time one of these horese will likely meet a tight indoor arena is the winter of their 4yo year...by which time they've probably jumped a few NC's anyway
In the old days (back in't days when i was a lad!) the first class was Newcomers....and when they brought in Discovery everyone was like 'what ! why do we need something that small !?'' lol!
I have to say i don't think i've ever jumped a BN that i would class as overly technical or tough for a baby....but there are certainly some coursebuilders at some venues that build more flowing tracks than others....and we've become quite adept at knowing who is building where and going to the venues that suit :
exactly cactus. Alot of people will buy good horses at say 5 or 6 and produce it to top level from there.
Take the Billy Stud for example. They have a massive breeding program and are producing loads and loads of very nice young horses. They have to start somewhere??
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I'm not going to say they never jump a BN, but i know that you tend to see a lot of the 'Billy Babies' come out at Disco and Newcomers. Don't forget, they will do a lot of their groundwork at home so their 4yo's will be jumping the small stuff out of the public eye and those that aren't likely to make the grade won't ever get as far as a BSJA ring....let alone a BN.
The Gustavii Stud were even more extreme, and often wouldn't take their horses out until they were ready to jump a Fox....but then as i said before, most of these places have their own facilities so can 'produce' at home.
The other thing to note i think is that most of the 'big producers' will be bringing their 4yo's to the ring for the first time in March/April time....so this is more likely to be at an outdoor venue and very likely at the bigger venues like Addington, Pyecombe etc....where the facilties are such that you don't tend to need to build tight technical courses due to the size of the arenas. The first time one of these horese will likely meet a tight indoor arena is the winter of their 4yo year...by which time they've probably jumped a few NC's anyway
In the old days (back in't days when i was a lad!) the first class was Newcomers....and when they brought in Discovery everyone was like 'what ! why do we need something that small !?'' lol!
I have to say i don't think i've ever jumped a BN that i would class as overly technical or tough for a baby....but there are certainly some coursebuilders at some venues that build more flowing tracks than others....and we've become quite adept at knowing who is building where and going to the venues that suit :
icestationzebra
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I don't BSJA but there has been a trend developing with some BE coursebuilders (XC) trying to get a little too clever and tricky at the lower levels and there has been a lot of discussion about it. Some people like the fact that they can ride a more testing course without having to go bigger but for a lot of people especially with youngsters they believe it unfair - especially when they were expecting a kind and flowing course. As you said in an earlier post MB surely it is all about setting a nice rhythm at this stage in training.....
dieseldog
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Who is responsible for the course though?
The course builder builds it ..... But the judges approve it and if they don't like it are supposed to get the course builder to change it.
Has anyone ever seen this happen? I have a couple of times.
Newcomers has been the first thing on my last 3 horses printout. Strangley once I owned them BN started appearing
The course builder builds it ..... But the judges approve it and if they don't like it are supposed to get the course builder to change it.
Has anyone ever seen this happen? I have a couple of times.
Newcomers has been the first thing on my last 3 horses printout. Strangley once I owned them BN started appearing
Coolspot
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I think this is really interesting.
I joined the BSJA so that I could start off jumping BN and progress with my new horse.
A fundamental reason for affliation must be (?!?!?) that we all go want to go showjumping to ride courses that will bring out the best in our horses. i.e not an unaffliated course that has been set for both 12hh ponies and 16.3hh horses. (we could all save a lot of money if we did that, instead of paying affliation fees)
British Novice classes should do as they say on the tin. Be classes for novices and those not wanting to jump any higher/trickier courses, therefore nice and flowing. Understandably the coursebuilder should be able to chuck a few more interesting things in in the second round etc.
Hope that all makes sense!
I joined the BSJA so that I could start off jumping BN and progress with my new horse.
A fundamental reason for affliation must be (?!?!?) that we all go want to go showjumping to ride courses that will bring out the best in our horses. i.e not an unaffliated course that has been set for both 12hh ponies and 16.3hh horses. (we could all save a lot of money if we did that, instead of paying affliation fees)
British Novice classes should do as they say on the tin. Be classes for novices and those not wanting to jump any higher/trickier courses, therefore nice and flowing. Understandably the coursebuilder should be able to chuck a few more interesting things in in the second round etc.
Hope that all makes sense!