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This is currently circulating on facebook. I do not know for sure if it is true but suspect it is because I know of vets who think like this.


I'm a vet. Some details changed or omitted for anonymity purposes and because I'll get flamed for this.

Today a man brought his dog in to me.

The dog was a large, boisterous adolescent puppy. He hurtled into the room, bouncing up to me excitedly, wagging his tail all the time and nudging at my hand with his muzzle. His big squishy paws crashed against my chest each time he paused to greet me, as he bounded around the room investigating all the smells. He was an unusual cross, very striking to look at and obviously a bright and energetic dog. He was adorable.

The history went like this:

The dog had been bought as a tiny puppy by a couple who were told it was a "designer" cross between two specific small breeds. Now, if the people who bought this puppy had had the slightest inkling about what they were doing it would have been immediately obvious to them that this was most certainly not a cross between two small breeds. But anyway, they didn't have a clue so they bought the cute little puppy from this dubious source (probably at a cost of several hundred pounds) and took it back to their family home, complete with toddler.

The dog grew a bit and it became clear that it was actually going to be really big. It was bouncy, energetic and destructive. It kept racing around and knocking over their small child. So they rehomed it to a family member.

The family member also had children but they were slightly bigger children. The family member really wanted to do the right thing, so they tried to "discipline" the dog. The dog began to show occasional signs of aggression and was completely hyperactive in the home, destructive and unmanageable. I was not surprised to hear this, since it was obvious to me from this dog's heritage that it was the sort of dog which had significant needs in terms of exercise and stimulation. In an attempt to magically resolve the issues the family member had the dog neutered. Which unsurprisingly made no difference.

Today the dog was brought in to be put to sleep. It had growled very aggressively when a child had put its face near his, and between this and an imminent change in circumstances the family member felt unable to manage the dog any more. He had tried local and national rescue organisations, all of which were full. He had nobody to care for the dog overnight tonight. He was not able to take the dog home, partly because of safety concerns and partly because the decision had been taken together as a family that it was the right thing to do.

So I put this healthy, affectionate, vibrant dog to sleep while it munched on treats and the third owner in its short life cried into his fur. Then when it was just me and the body of this poor puppy I had a good old cry myself.

I know there will be people who think I was right to put down a dog who has shown any signs of aggression under any circumstances. I disagree.

I know there will be people who think I was wrong to put down a dog when I could have taken it and found it a new home. I disagree.

I also know that there will be many many people who have no idea that this is happening all the time in this country because of irresponsible ignorant greedy people, selling dogs to irresponsible ignorant feckless people, who then pass them on to naive and thoughtless "rescuers" who eventually get to the end of their tether and bring them to me for euthanasia. All the time.

These are the dogs who bite children in the home due to a total lack of knowledge, reasonable expectations and effort to socialise them adequately.

These are the dogs whose owners can afford four figure sums to buy the latest random mongrel "breed" with a stupid made-up name, but cannot afford fifty quid to get it vaccinated, far less any money at all to treat even minor illnesses.

These are the dogs who clog up rescue centres all over the country, waiting along with thousands and thousands of others for the home with no children, no other pets and eight-foot fences, with an owner who has experience of managing behavioural problems, works from home, has stainless steel furniture and can write blank cheques to pay for the inherited illnesses the dog suffers from. Homes which don't actually exist.

These are the dogs who I have to put down because I know that it is more responsible of me to painlessly take their life than to condemn them to wait with the rest of the enormous population of "difficult" dogs sitting in rescue kennels all over the country.

Please, please, I implore you. Get advice before you take on a dog - from a vet, a qualified positive behaviourist, the Kennel Club, the Blue Cross, the Dog's Trust, the RSPCA - the information is there for the taking, there is no excuse. Go to a decent breeder, who has a waiting list, or a rescue centre which really grills you thoroughly before matching you with a pet. Find out how to bring your puppies up properly so if you do find your circumstances change then at least they are rehomable. Make sure you can afford to pay for the unexpected. Make sure your expectations are fair.

Please, because I can't keep having to do this.
 
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I saw that and would suspect it is true. I see the same stories on the rescue pages I have access to. The vast number of dumped dogs would fit that sort of age group...past the cute and fluffy stage,needing exercise and training. For a species that is supposed to be reasonably intelligent, I can't believe the number of people who get a puppy, then trot out the "well, I think xx would be better in a home which can give it more time" or "I'm pregnant and can't cope with my dog" or "struggle to exercise the dog as I work full time". So please, Mr and Mrs Idiot, what did you think would happen when the puppy started to grow up?

So yes, I do believe this story.
 
It started as a thread on mumsnet in the highly addictive "am I being unreasonable" section of the message boards and I am pretty sure is real.
 
MM, as far as I am concerned, you are talking to the converted. (BTW, I think your quote should either be in italics or contained within quotation marks as the first time I read it I thought you were the vet!).

I bred working dogs for many years and probably turned away 90% of applicants because they simply did not have a clue. As a friend said, "People have notions". They see a picture of a dog and say to themselves, "I want one of those!".

Buyers were required to complete an extensive application form/questionnaire if they wanted a dog from me. The answers would tell me a lot! For example, from the post code I could go on to Google satellite view and check out the applicant's home area. One stated he was a livestock farmer. Clearly a clever fellow to be farming sheep and cattle in the middle of Newcastle! Occasionally, I'd know someone in the area and be able to get them checked out personally. Some of the questions were slanted, obviously. But it is not easy.

I am equally fussy about where my ponies go. But I tried a straw poll on a breed forum and the consensus was that filling out any sort of form would put the person off even considering buying an animal from that breeder. Just see what they say on here about POA, which is one thing that can allow a breeder to be a bit selective about who they sell to without upsetting the buyer!

Of course, this is all to do with ignorance and education. Sadly, the stupid people, like the poor, will always be with us. Dogs have large litters that grow fast. A breeder without experience will be under enormous pressure when his puppies, over priced at eight weeks, remain unsold at three or four months. They will be the more unsaleable the older they get.

Sorry, but I don't know what the answer is but I do think the price of puppies will soon crash. Anyone who has bred pedigree sheep will say the same! It is fashion and that is something the KC are aware of and cash in on at every opportunity. They want more registrations, not fewer. I'd like to see dog owners required to attend a course and be licensed but pigs will fly first. And so the nonsense will continue.
 
Rescue centre near me is full of these type of dogs, I've looked into rehoming as daughter now coming up to 3, all the dogs are no children or children of secondary school age, so sad.
 
I did see this on fb, whether it is true or not it does actually happen, the rescue I foster for had this happen to them.

A young Dobermann 13months old was causing havoc in his home, the owner said he had tried all sorts but the dog still behaved badly and if the rescue didnt take him he would pts. The rescue took the dog and sent him to a behaviourist and it turns out as we all suspected he was just a young dog with no training and had not learnt any bounderies.

This type of thing is going on all over the country, people taking unsuitable dogs for their lifestyle and not giving them any training, sadly so many end up being pts.
 
I took in a black cocker spaniel who, except for his size, this could have been written about.
Bought as a puppy, then rehomed because he used to dig in the owners beloved garden, and given "free to a good home".
Yes, well, acquired by a local roughish local family mainly because it was a freebie, and the unruly kids began treating his lovely big ears as toys. When he began to "misbehave" they rehomed him again, this time to someone who thought they would sort him out with a riding crop. It failed and he was in need of yet another home.
At that point it was PTS or rehome, and a local sensible cocker owner took him in. By then his whole world was threatening to him and he gave her elderly spaniel a really hard time so he came to me. He was possessive (gun dog breed, bred to hang on to game) and threatened (due to all the unsympathetic egotistic handling in the past) and as luck would have it, his pedigree revealed a triple cross of a known sire with temperament problems.
He was a lovely dog but you could never assume he would be fine - mostly learned behaviour, and he was responsible for starting me down the path of learning about dog behaviour and clicker training. Could have been so much different had his original owners taken experienced knowledgeable advice before they bought him. He died in his bed at the age of 14.
 
My daughter has just adopted a black cocker spangle who has "problems". He is getting better but he has aggressive moments with daughter's OH. He's only two years old and already in his 3rd home. No wonder he's got problems. Daughter is not one to give up and send him back, she will persevere with him. He is no longer food or dog aggressive and comes back to the whistle. He thinks he owns my daughter and warns her OH away when he sits next to her, she stands up and lets him know that she's in charge, not him. It will take time but I just wish people would research the breed before getting a sweet little puppy. Without the right training, they can become monsters. They are the ones who suffer, not the owners.
 
I am sure even if this particular posting isn't true, the content, very sadly, is fact. Vets sign up to save lives, not offer easy solutions to selfish people, too used to living in a throw away society. The sooner dog owners have to either take a test, attend a course, buy a licence or SOMETHING that shows they are responsible individuals, the better...
 
That should apply to most animal ownership, horses, dogs, farm animals etc. Not small furry things, although I imagine they get neglected too. Vetting and follow up of homes where animals are placed, should happen.
 
I have seen this doing the rounds on facebook for a number of years now just adapted in different forms, wording slightly different dependent on 'breed type' and if the poster is in the US or the UK. The principle applies tho' too many people take animals on without understanding the commitment that is needed, be it cats, rabbits, dogs, horses, birds, reptiles fish, the list is endless. No pet is easy all require human interaction, socialisation, training, commitment, love guidance, boundaries etc.
 
I don't think much of the problem lies with "proper" breeders. I think a lot has to do with backstreet breeders breeding the uninspired for the uneducated.

Still think my idea of any new would be dog owners having to complete a course with a chargeable amount of time at a local rescue would help. This would five money to a charity, probably increase the number of rescues being rehomed and really help educate people. Appreciate it would be virtually impossible to police but it would be a good step!
 
Any move towards legislation simply wouldn't work, and whilst accepting that there is a serious problem, I think that we are already burdened with enough legislation, and further unenforceable restrictions would be undesirable and wouldn't achieve anything except furthering Court appearances which would also achieve nothing.

Is education the answer? Not amongst those who can't read and write it isn't. We live in a throw away society where we're not only no longer responsible for our actions, but we've learnt that we owe nothing to anyone, except ourselves and our own hedonistic needs.

The article quoted? It's rather like the post from Aru on another thread. Both were moving and I understand the distress of the writers, but I'm sorry to say that putting down unwanted dogs for no other reason than they've failed to live up to their owners unrealistic expectations is part of the job description for a Vet. Is this not explained to those in veterinary school? For those who are young enough to be planning a career, then if they can't cope with the realities of our modern day vet, then consider a career in accountancy. Veterinary work is not always about feeling good about ourselves, there's a s*** side to the job too. Whilst there's barely a 'Social responsibility' attached to the work of the vet, and they don't work for nothing, so there's also, on balance, a side which goes against the ethical stream of a vet's work.

I accept that the above lines are perhaps rather hard, but the reality of our modern times is that however we may stand opened mouthed at the stupidity of some who breed dogs, and perhaps in even greater wonderment at the thinking process of those who support the breeders by buying their products, we live in a world where we now have complete freedom of choice, and one of the downsides is the problem under discussion.

I haven't got any answers, and I don't like it any more than anyone else.

Alec.
 
Very sad. I think that in Australia they have an effective and affordable dog licensing system and I don't see why they can't do it here.
If your dog is outside your house it wears a collar with a tag on, the tag is a different colour every year. If your dog is neutered it was very cheap to do and if your dog wasn't it was a lot more. (Roughly $10 if done and $60 if not, but was years ago I was there). If your dog isn't wearing the correct tag it gets taken by the dog warden and you pay to get it back. If you don't get it back it is PTS. Yes, very harsh and the pounds were heartbreaking - the writer of the above article would not want to be there - but it made people be more responsilbe. Yes a lot of lovely dogs died but there are many fates worse than the needle.
 
I posted this because of Aru's post Alec, it reminded me of this.
Of course vets are aware that putting down unwanted pets is part of their job description, it doesn't mean they find it easy. This is why most vets tend to have at least one pet that has been brought into the surgery for pts/rehoming.
Like you I don't know what the answer is, the dog licensing system didn't work when it was only a few shillings, so very much doubt it would work nowadays. The Australian system does sound straightforward but it all comes down to whether it could be suitably policed.
 
:( very sad to read
i re-homed my GSD x (1/4 rottweiller) aged 2 in October. he was first living on a farm and bullied by others, at least 5kg underweight and very itchy from being fed food he was intolerant to. then given to a family with 3 small children. he never did anything wrong- was brilliant with the kids, but was hyper and is a big dog. so after just 6 weeks they advertised him to re-home. they did ask about my situation and i was very open (just me, bf and cat, ground floor flat, but he is out a lot with the horses at the farm) and they said they has turned someone down with small children, but they didn't want to see my house, i took him for a walk with me and brought him home the same day! i could have been anyone....
He is under-socialized and had very little training, except being toilet trained. it is a work in progress, but in 3 months he has come on leaps and bounds :) but the fact is it takes hard work, and the bigger the dog the more tricky it can be, as they are more dangerous knocking people over or trying to take off on a lead ect, than a smaller dog. i think people also underestimate how much exercise even little dogs need, especially when young. we were out at the farm from 8-12 today and he is having a nap on the sofa now, but will be raring to go again soon. 1 hour power walk and he is still full of beans. he needs 2 hours strenuous exercise minimum! as well as mental stimulation from games, and constant reminders to listen to me and not forget what my commands mean!....
i have waffled on, but PTS healthy dogs is something vets should not have to do, if dog ownership was not so easy to do- any one could go out and buy a completely unsuitable dog or puppy today and have no idea what they are taking on. a dog has a right to growl if a child is pestering them and is in their space. it is completely avoidable.
however, regulation is very hard to put in place and expensive.
 
We have a small business selling pet food, mainly dog food, on home delivery so we get to meet a lot of dogs and owners. I have seen scenarios on both the positive and negative side, some of the stories move you to tears, both happy and sad tears! So many people think food can work wonders in changing temperament, natural energy levels and exercise requirements etc. etc. Some people will not take advice when it is not what they want to hear - the 9 month Burmese Mountain dog that had grown too big for the show ring so they wanted a low protein food to stop her growing any bigger! - the Malamute/Husky cross bought by a family for their grieving elderly Mum - I could go on!

I don't know what the answer is you cannot control indiscriminate breeding and uneducated owners in dogs any more than you can in horses.
 
Whether the article is true or not, doesn't matter because it happens all the time. Disposable animals. Even on this forum, any thread beginning with a 'My horse has to be retired and I can't keep it as I don't want to,'gets the default response ' have it PTS.'

The article's description of the rehoming requirements is also common phenomenon . At one time, all my small animals came from rescues but not so much now. Since when was it daft to rehome a dog with children ?
I'm currently looking for a guinea pig boar as a companion but the local rescues says guinea pigs must live indoors over winter. Why ?
It's about time that rescues realised that not everyone is an idiot and that their single minded approach to animal husbandry is not the only way that works.
 
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