Thoughts on how to get this horse hacking out alone

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I'm just havin a bit of a musing.

I'm bringing on a young horse for someone to sell but I am lacking a bit in the facilities ect I would normally have to hand in this kind of situation, so just thought i'd post on here for some thoughts.

Basic background info is he's an ex racer, was being ridden out of racing last year but i have no idea how much he did. My client is very novice. She bought him with a friend to bring on and sell, she was going to do day to day care and friend ride. Then they had to move yards and have gone separate ways, her friend disappeared off the face of the planet for a few months. She finally got hold of her as she was stuck with this horse and no passport, and bought her out.

So that's when i started working with him. I've been working with him a couple of weeks and he seems nice enough. Did a fair bit of groundwork; long reining ect as like I said, had no idea what he's done and she hasn't even seen him ridden so was slightly concerned I might be getting on a nut job.

The basic set up is it's on a farm. She has a young horse (a 5 year old I think), which is why I originally started working with her as she wanted someone to ride him and get him hacking out alone as he hadn't done a lot of it, and being quite novicey, she wanted someone else to do it. I have done so, he's now going out quietly with me, he's a lovely sensible chap, a really nice sort. She's only been riding him herself with me walking with her and he is a bit more backwards with her, but it's fine.

There aren't really any facilities there, there's a field to ride in and a few jumps but am obviously a bit limited due to ground conditions. The hacking is okay, country lanes but the one you go out on to start with (and have to stay on for quite a bit) is quite busy and has a fair few big vans/small lorries on it.

I've ridden him a few of times and he's going very sweetly, a little worried to start with as the field is surrounded by pigs, geese, chickens ect so a LOT to look at but he's fine.

Now obviously, I need to get him hacking ASAP so i don't trash this field.

But I'm a bit worried about how to go about it as the only company I have to take him put with is the other youngster and the novicey owner which isn't the greatest lead. Apparently the other horse is excellent in company but they do play off each other with spooking ect. Last time I rode him, she rode in the field with me. The riding field is a little bit down a track from their turnout field so I got on at their turnout field with her holding him, and waited for her to get on hers. However during this waiting, the horse I'm bringing on was very unsettled and started doing bunny hops and felt like he wanted to rear. Not knowing his history and only having ridden him a few times, I didn't fancy chancing it, so when he did stop mucking about and waited quietly a moment, i hopped off and led him to the field.

Once in the field he was absolutely fine though together thry were very nappy and awkward leading down to the riding field.

I've asked her to feed them separately as they are very bonded, so to lead 1 (pref the one who is to be sold) down towards the riding field/farm yard to feed in order to get them used to being apart for a bit and also to associate them that going that way doesn't always = work. Also think it will help settle him around the farm animals as he is going up there to have his tea, which is obviously a pleasant experience!

But anyway, back to the hacking. Does it sound like a suicide mission to take these horse's out together? I don'r want to take him alone to start as with 1 running around neighing i think he might be rather nappy and I'd rather get him out in company to make sure he is actually sane to hack and in traffic. He is fine with the cars passing his field.

So anyway, any thoughts? I did think perhaps one of us lead him and the other ride the other horse to start with, but worried if he is a prat then she may not be able to handle him on the ground, and if she rides, I'm worried the other horse will be a bit nappy as I don't think she is hugely assertive, and that then the one on the ground will be a prat playing off this!

I hope this post doesn't make me sound hugely inexperienced, I'm not, and have done this sort of thing plenty of times before, but previously always had a school so able to ride the horse enough first to really get to know it and always had a sensible schoolmaster and an experienced rider to accompany us!
 
If it were me I'd get off and lead down the busy road then get up once I was somewhere safer until I was 100% the horse could deal with it with me on board
 
Oops realised title should just read hacking. Once he is hacking nicely and I see he's safe in traffic I have no quelms about taking him out alone :)

Rhodders - thanks, there is a bridleway fairly near which leads to very quiet lanes so I'm happy to do that. Would you go with the other horse to start with?

Just a bit worried with that as he isn't really an ideal "lead" horse although apparantly is very very good in company and not fussed when another horse is stupid
 
I personally wouldn't - I would just do what I had to on foot to build his confidence I think they can get used to having company all to easily and then start to refuse to go out solo as they learn they always go out with a friend.
But that's just me, by no means an expert
 
Thanks :)

Always good to know other people's thoughts! I think its very important for these 2 to learn to be apart as much as possible as up until a couple of weeks ago they had just been sat in a field together for months (bar me riding the other 1 once a week)
 
I would be inclined to long rein him down the lanes as he's used to doing that anyway to instil confidence and know that he'll go forward wherever you ask. I would always prefer to be on the ground than on him in cases like this to get a better idea of how he copes. Hopefully you'll find he's like many ex racers and brilliant in traffic it's just the being on his own he doesn't like which you can work on.
 
Or could you 'borrow' another rider for the other horse who is more of your own standard? Then you could try them out knowing that the other horse would most likely be fine giving a lead etc if he is used to going out alone?
 
I would be inclined to long rein him down the lanes as he's used to doing that anyway to instil confidence and know that he'll go forward wherever you ask. I would always prefer to be on the ground than on him in cases like this to get a better idea of how he copes. Hopefully you'll find he's like many ex racers and brilliant in traffic it's just the being on his own he doesn't like which you can work on.

This. The best way to re-train ex. racers is to start from scratch, which you seem to be doing - so longreining to get him used to going out on his own is sensible advice.

Do you know which racing yard he came from? If so, it might be worth getting in touch with the trainer who could give you some history. He may even know of someone looking for this type opf horse.
 
I personally wouldn't - I would just do what I had to on foot to build his confidence I think they can get used to having company all to easily and then start to refuse to go out solo as they learn they always go out with a friend.
But that's just me, by no means an expert

This ^^^ I would start as you mean to go on perhaps with another walker on foot that's what I'm currently doing with my mare as I need trust and security to come from me as well as equine companions.
 
I'm not sure whether you resolved this (my head has been too caught up with dressage camp :o), but if it's not too far from me I can always bring Raff down and ride out with you. As you know he doesn't do anything daft and is good in traffic, and he's always up for a ride. Just let me know. xx
 
I'd be inclined to try long reining him out first, if you think you'll have enough control.

It sounds like a tricky situation!
 
I would just get him out. Don't think of it as an issue, just get on him and hack. If you get all tense and worried about it then so will he. Best thing is to just get on and go.

Having had a few horses with hacking issues the worst thing you can do is get on anticipating a problem. I knew my mare freaked when she left the yard gates but I just carried on as if I were riding my horse who loved to hack. Was prepared should things get a bit hairy but just carried on normally before and after.
 
Probably a stupid thought, but is there any chance as he's on a farm, there are any other access points to the lanes that avoid the main road?
Even if you had to walk them in hand through a few fields.
 
My ex racer came out of racing in Oct last year (4 years old) and she will gladly hack out on her own - the first few times I went with my friend and her elderly TB but when we tried on our own - not a single problem - very laid back baby (apart from when she saw her first cow :eek:) lol

Try it - you never know how good he'll be ;) - try leading for the first few times so he can see you for a bit of confidence!

My other ex racer on the other hand, 10 year old hurdler (RIP big lad) hated hacking alone and would just plant himself and refuse to leave the yard alone ... I used to sit there day after day in the middle of the road on a horse that wouldnt move lol ... not scared in the slightest just being an arse! :mad:
 
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