Thoughts on this.....Controversial Lungeing?

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Came across this video on facebook, skip to 42 seconds.

I have never seen this technique being used before and don't know whether to be shocked or intrigued! What are peoples thoughts on this???? I can imagine my horse would go ballistic..!


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Used to used quite a lot .
And it could well have a role under Physio supervision .
There used to be a lunging 'system' I think it was the abbot Davies balancing rien which used the tail.
 
they have a therapy centre at Hartpury College so I should imagine it's something they would do as part of ongoing treatment. *unusual* choice of thing to demo on that kind of video though, with no real explanation...
 
Is it just me or does the last horse look a little lame? Kind of thought the hind left left looked a bit odd but might just be the equipment causing it.
 
My horse is lame on the lunge unless he is pushed into working correctly, more on his right rein than left. If the horses are in rehab it wouldn't surprise me if it was lame.

I just use side reins and a whip to get the desired result, along with in hand work if that doesn't work.
 
Abbott Davies - I used to have one and it sat in its rather smart pouch for many years until the various bits rotted and I was left with a sort of rubber standing martingale, which I used a few times on a young horse who used to throw his head in the air and sock me on the nose. And that, imo, was all it was useful for.
 
jumping.jack_flash said:
Seriously . .WT*!

I've never seen that . .disgusting
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a little extreme jjf? It's not something I would do with my horses but they are not under any kind of rehab programme that would require this kind of work. if you are looking at the effectiveness of lunging aids, I don't see that it's really hugely different to the kind of pessoa arrangement that many people use quite happily to connect the mouth to the back end of the horse.
with the difference that using the tail actually got the horse's back up and the core muscles moving... something that you don't see so successfully with the pessoa, which despite all the sales pitches tends to end up with nose tucked in and back hollow.
 
Tiddlypom said:
There was a ridden version of the Abbot Davies balancing rein, and I believe that the inventor was killed in a accident whilst using one :eek3:. I can't fathom the benefits of using one.
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If I remember rightly thenhorse was standing outside an indoor school it went up and fell killing the chap who developed the system .
FWIW The lunging version was more helpful than a Pessoa IMO
 
Google 'Abbot Davis' Balancing rein - it works extremely well when you have a horse that tends to be strung out in canter. I have a genuine Abbot Davis Balancing rein, has various different ways of attaching. A clever system that has many benefits
 
I've seen worse!

I was more uncomfortable with the chestnut being cantered on a too small a circle for it, and the grey looking short in its stride.

I've seen people on the yard I'm on do the lunging aid (over the withers, through and up the front legs) with an extra long leadrope, that isn't quite long enough, and isn't elastic enough so the horse is effectively in semi-rollkur the entire time. That, to me, is worse than anything on the video!
 
Rowreach said:
Abbott Davies - I used to have one and it sat in its rather smart pouch for many years until the various bits rotted and I was left with a sort of rubber standing martingale, which I used a few times on a young horse who used to throw his head in the air and sock me on the nose. And that, imo, was all it was useful for.
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Sad that you never tried it out - it really is an awesome piece of equipment. I've used it on many horses, especially those who are habitual star gazers and hollow.

This pony was a mess when I bought it, hollow as, head in the air, rushed his fences and was generally a very uncomfortable, dangerous ride.
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Hi, well of course we are all entitled to an opinion but the video was intended to be watched alongside an article in Horse and Rider, which I haven't read but I'm sure gives more depth. Lunging with the the tail bandage comes with a clear warning about using it under the supervision of an osteopath. The rehab centre at Hartpury has an excellent reputation, I know the person who has developed the centre, she has worked with my local equine hospital for many years and she works not only in this country but also internationally. I think you'd struggle to find anyone better qualified, more experienced or more respected and if I had a horse that needed rehab treatment she would be the first person I'd go to, interestingly she is one of the few osteos that i know who will not touch a horse without a vet referral. I do understand that many people don't like the use of "aids" but when they are used correctly to encourage a horse to use himself properly tbh I really don't have a problem with them.
 
I think my mare would kill herself or me if I tried that. I have seen it done many years ago and the horse seemed unfazed but I failed to see what it achieved. It's a risky strategy in my opinion and I would never contemplate it, vet instruction or not.
 
For me, I don't think it is bad in the sense of the position it puts the horse in. Not in comparison to fixed side reins or similar. HOWEVER, and that is a big however! That is surely an accident waiting to happen, whatever the benefit it is not worth it against the risk factor. It worries me that it is being promoted by Hartpury for anyone to see... and more worryingly copy!
 
if they are teaching people to do that at a college they have no real understanding of how a horse is trained, how it moves, how they could be damaging it.

and how dangerous it is.
 
I don't think there is any suggestion that they are teaching people do to it at college - the blurb even states it's only done with their osteo and the college has a major therapy centre where she is based. I very much doubt the average student is doing this at Hartpury *unless* they are working in the therapy centre.

The difficulties of seeing something out of context - as mentioned above, would be more helpful to be able to see the accompanying article :)
 
milliepops said:
a little extreme jjf? It's not something I would do with my horses but they are not under any kind of rehab programme that would require this kind of work. if you are looking at the effectiveness of lunging aids, I don't see that it's really hugely different to the kind of pessoa arrangement that many people use quite happily to connect the mouth to the back end of the horse.
with the difference that using the tail actually got the horse's back up and the core muscles moving... something that you don't see so successfully with the pessoa, which despite all the sales pitches tends to end up with nose tucked in and back hollow.
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Agreed, I wouldn't use it because I don't use lunging aids, but at least if the horse kicks out he's not getting the full force of his kick (from the leg) in his mouth like they do with a Pessoa or similar lunging aid.
 
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