Thoughts & opinions on this pony to bring on and sell

[Tiarella]

Thanks guys you've put me off haha if I had my own land I would def consider it but can't justify keeping him on livery and not selling him for more money.

 

[Arizahn]

Can you find me 2 like this pony preferably 5 or 6 years old at £650 each inc transport, I won't bother with vetting them but would want to give them a quick check myself.

Move to Northern Ireland, cast aside any hope of Peace, and start scanning the classifieds...simples!

 

[lastchancer]

I like him, he'd need to be nearer £1K at present and you'd be very lucky to get £4K for him unless he can jump like Stroller I cant see the pic's properly but it looks like he's been badly schooled, probably with draw reins, keep in mind he might therefore be hard work for a young rider. Presumably
you'll re-school him but they do slip back into bad habits very easily. That said he's a looker. Good luck with him if you buy!

 

[flirtygerty]

Sorry but this attitude just smacks of disposable pets, it's as bad as back street dog breeders just in it for the money, without any thought to the living breathing animals they are dealing in. Rant over

 

[siennamum]

You wouldn't get near 4k in the current market.
To get that for a 14.2, it would have to be older and have lots of comp experience with a child.

More realistic would be to buy around £500, bring on to do a few unaff events, advertise £2500 midsummer to sell around £2000.

But unless you have your own land and comp venues close by, you won't make money at this in this climate, unfortunately!

This. Every day of the week.

My friend has been trying to sell a totally safe & beautiful 14.2 schoolmaster, who has done PC teams for months. Market is dire at the moment.

 

[Exploding Chestnuts]

Thankfully I have tack/rugs all sorted - I have 4 adjustable saddles to try and 28 5ft9-6ft3 rugs haha! And he can share current ponies boots etc.

It would just be a money making thing and would look at buying and hoping to sell for 4k+ having done unaff events - he is completely upside down and under muscled everywhere too.

I just don't know what to do!!

It is very unlikely you can meet your goals in three months .... it takes two months to re-school a horse ......... as you say even his musculator is wrong, and then you have to take him to shows and stuff, which takes time and money, and there is no guarantee he will turn in to a push button rosette machine, which is what people who pay £4000 would want.
My instructor [BHSAI] and twenty years experience including showing, eventing and dressage, has her own facilities and is struggling to make a decent profit at the moment, if she thought she could buy connemaras [she is small] and turn them over in three months, she would jump at the chance.
P.S. height is very critical for connemaras / jumping ponies.

 

[Patterdale]

Can you find me 2 like this pony preferably 5 or 6 years old at £650 each inc transport, I won't bother with vetting them but would want to give them a quick check myself.

http://m.preloved.co.uk/m/showadvert/109844732/lovely-142hh-gelding-5yrs-650-ono.html reckon you'd get this for 450 and he'd clean up nicely.

http://m.preloved.co.uk/m/showadvert/109843756/142hh-polish-arab-mare.html this one looks like it could be quite a lot of work but again you'd get it around £400.

http://m.preloved.co.uk/m/showadvert/109491020/welsh-section-d-mare.html you'd probs get this at £750 if you were canny and sec Ds always sell well.

http://m.preloved.co.uk/m/showadvert/109473599/coloured-filly.html £200, get her broken and moved on and you'd have to be a total numpty to not make anything.

But saving the best till last, this one - http://m.preloved.co.uk/m/showadvert/108668503/reduced-for-quick-sale-600.html looks lovely. Could be problems there, but if I wasn't pregnant if be going for a look with £500 in my pocket myself!

That took me 10 mins. There are LOADS out there, especially this time of year, and lots of inexperienced people who buy ponies then realise they cba and you can swoop in with a silly offer and away you go.

 

[Patterdale]

Sorry but this attitude just smacks of disposable pets, it's as bad as back street dog breeders just in it for the money, without any thought to the living breathing animals they are dealing in. Rant over

Er......ok...
ALL horse dealers are in it for money. That doesn't mean you can't care too. Making money is not evil you know..! :rolleyes3:

Do you disagree with horses being sold full stop? Or just with people making a profit?

 

[blitznbobs]

http://m.preloved.co.uk/m/showadvert/109844732/lovely-142hh-gelding-5yrs-650-ono.html reckon you'd get this for 450 and he'd clean up nicely.

http://m.preloved.co.uk/m/showadvert/109843756/142hh-polish-arab-mare.html this one looks like it could be quite a lot of work but again you'd get it around £400.

http://m.preloved.co.uk/m/showadvert/109491020/welsh-section-d-mare.html you'd probs get this at £750 if you were canny and sec Ds always sell well.

http://m.preloved.co.uk/m/showadvert/109473599/coloured-filly.html £200, get her broken and moved on and you'd have to be a total numpty to not make anything.

But saving the best till last, this one - http://m.preloved.co.uk/m/showadvert/108668503/reduced-for-quick-sale-600.html looks lovely. Could be problems there, but if I wasn't pregnant if be going for a look with £500 in my pocket myself!

That took me 10 mins. There are LOADS out there, especially this time of year, and lots of inexperienced people who buy ponies then realise they cba and you can swoop in with a silly offer and away you go.

If I didn't have so much on my plate is be tempted by the D ... She'd make a nice PC pony if she jumps..

 

[be positive]

Sorry but this attitude just smacks of disposable pets, it's as bad as back street dog breeders just in it for the money, without any thought to the living breathing animals they are dealing in. Rant over

For many people a horse is not a pet but kept to do a job, someone needs to be bringing on youngsters properly and selling otherwise where would anyone find a ready made horse, it is nothing like back street breeding, in fact I think of it as the opposite, I have taken on many badly started or underused young horses and ponies put in time and effort to get them going really well. They sell, usually for a fair profit if I have done a good job, to be useful animals with a good future ahead of them, many I have remained in contact with, a lot of thought and care has gone into the training and they are only sold to suitable homes and I do turn people away if I feel they are not right for some reason.

If everyone kept a horse for life and all breeders were responsible and stopped breeding to sell we would eventually run out of horses, there needs to be a reduction in breeding for the sake of it but for someone to be slated for looking to take on a youngster put in what is required to turn it around and sell on to a competition home is unfair, if they do a good job the pony could have a great life.

 

[WelshD]

Look at it another way. Someone experienced taking on a pony, getting it right and selling on for a profit to the right home is a good thing, they have done it a favour by giving it a future

Some numpty could equally buy any one of the ponies above 'because they are cheap' as a pet muck around a bit halfheartedly with a bit of groundwork and find there is not much future for the pony if they run out of money etc and pony may be sold cheaply to any old home then the market!

OP i think you'd be paying the 'retail' rate for that connie and that you would need to do very well (or the pony be a superstar) to do well with this

I love the secD in the adverts above though! I also think the first one would be a good choice, really cleaned up i think it would be quite smart

 

[cob&onion]

http://m.preloved.co.uk/m/showadvert/109473599/coloured-filly.html £200, get her broken and moved on and you'd have to be a total numpty to not make anything.
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This would be a good one ^
If i was looking for a summer project it would be this

 

[Patterdale]

http://m.preloved.co.uk/m/showadvert/109801239/142hh-mare-project.html saleable colour, looks like its just nappy. You'd have it for £450 no bother.

And here's our winner! - http://m.preloved.co.uk/m/showadvert/109663886/pretty-welsh-sec-d.html If you turned up with a trailer and £250 I doubt they'd turn you down. Saleable colour and breed, as long as it truly is unbroken your be laughing.

Honestly there are just so so many. Don't even contemplate paying over £700 TOPS for a project, you won't make a penny.

 

[Tiarella]

Sorry but this attitude just smacks of disposable pets, it's as bad as back street dog breeders just in it for the money, without any thought to the living breathing animals they are dealing in. Rant over

Oh dear.... I did debate whether I should post this in comp riders instead to avoid unnecceasary comments like this.

 

[flirtygerty]

OP doesn't come across as being a dealer, just out to make a quick buck, apologies OP if I have got this wrong, but after a lifetime of rehoming peoples animal castoff's, cats,dogs, donkeys, chickens and horses and ponies, the 'It's only an animal' attitude boils my 'P', animals do care about their owners and fail to see why they have been dumped, a 12yr old Siamese owned from a kitten, thrown out because of a new puppy, a 10yr old GSD, same home from a pup, given up because of pregnancy, an 18yr old WB brood mare dumped in a dodgy rescue centre, because she had outlived her usefulness, a minature horse left to rot in a field with feet so deformed through lack of care, he will never be right, from a petting farm, a herd of Donkeys dumped in a field out of sight of the public, from the same petting farm, feet only been seen to on my insistance or because they were off to auction.
Going back to animals do care for owners, my daughter was in Iraq for six months, on her return for a break, her GSD, normally a biddable dog, insisted on welcoming her back, forcing his way inbetween myself and my daughter, he accepted I looked after him while my daughter was away, but when she was home, no one else mattered but my daughter.
I have four horses, with me for life, 2 20yr olds and 2 younger ones 10yr old and rising 4yr old, if for some reason I can't keep them, they will be pts, even the younger ones, rather a short but happy life, than a life of being passed from pillar to post, I bought an 18yr old ex racer, same home for 8 yrs, it broke my heart watching him get used to a new routine, he was so confused as to why his 'owner' wasn't there, he did settle, but it wasn't pleasant to watch, our routine is totally different to what he was used to.
I am in business myself, to earn a living and make a profit, but not at the expense of animals, who don't understand and you can't sit them down and explain why this is happening, I once had someone turn up wanting to rehome a rescue cat I had, his first words were "I hear you want rid of a cat, I'll take it" my response was "IT needs a home, but it won't be with you", I'm sorry if my words offend you but animals should not be considered to be disposable

 

[AmyHack]

Flirtygerty horses are very different to cats\dogs. Horses need educating correctly for us to do the things we do with them. Yes you may train your dog but you don't sit on it and ask it to jump over things or expect it to work correctly. If nobody bought horses to 'bring on' ie. Educate, people like me who aren't experienced enough to teach a horse everything it needs to know would have no hope of owning a horse, even if I could give it a wonderful home. I completely agree with everything you are saying and being a vet nurse myself I see all sorts of awful things, but OP wants to buy to educate and bring on and better the horses prospects. Yes she wants to make a bit of money, but we all pay for somebody to put the time and effort into teaching us something??

 

[Patterdale]

Oh dear.... I did debate whether I should post this in comp riders instead to avoid unnecceasary comments like this.

Yes, looks like you should...:rolleyes3:

 

[LadyGascoyne]

With all the complaining about the market being flooded with "useless" and "unwanted" animals, you'd think people would commend an attempt to take on one with decent bones and give it a proper education.

As far as I can tell, this is exactly the remedy suggested every time someone indicates they might be breeding a foal.

I think it's a great idea to take on the good ones and give them a chance. It's one less unwanted, useless horse and, in my books, that can only be a good thing.

 

[blitznbobs]

So if the solution is not to turn an unbroken, green horse into a safe riding pony for someone then what should we do with all the 200 quid ponied out there - meat man? Cos I wouldn't let my children ride such a beast until it was schooled and so rather than taking the risk on it being difficult then for my kids I'd buy a made pony. I actually think of this type of thing as re homing.

 

[be positive]

With all the complaining about the market being flooded with "useless" and "unwanted" animals, you'd think people would commend an attempt to take on one with decent bones and give it a proper education.

As far as I can tell, this is exactly the remedy suggested every time someone indicates they might be breeding a foal.

I think it's a great idea to take on the good ones and give them a chance. It's one less unwanted, useless horse and, in my books, that can only be a good thing.

This is my view, someone has to get them off the slippery slope of uselessness, it is by giving them a decent education and selling them on that will do so, they are not like dogs or cats pets that live indoors but animals that work in some way, usually, that will get sold on if outgrown to give someone else the pleasure of owning a well educated horse or pony.

If more people had the desire and expertise to bring on correctly started youngsters maybe there would be less on the scrap heap but there are just so many now, low value, badly put together etc the prices are so low many are just not going to get the chance of a useful life.

 

[Apercrumbie]

I would go and see him - if he has a great temperament then he could be a really good prospect. I personally feel that a three month turnaround isn't enough but you wouldn't necessarily need to keep him for 18 months to get some work out of him. Obviously you need to consider if you can afford to keep him for longer than planned, and 4k may be a bit ambitious, but he is certainly an option worth considering. As long as you can get that price down that is.

 

[stormox]

Its ridiculous to say horses should only be sold to people who keep them 'for life' 'forever homes' etc. people who buy a schoolmaster, when they have finished learning, want something livelier and more challenging. A novice, just starting out, needs an experienced riding horse, but is soon capable of bringing on a 4yr old. A competitor doing BE90 before long needs a horse capable of BE110.
And so it goes on. If all horses went to 'forever homes' everyone would start off with an unbroken youngster and keep it till it was 25. How impractical is that!!!!

 

[Lolo]

I would go and see him - if he has a great temperament then he could be a really good prospect. I personally feel that a three month turnaround isn't enough but you wouldn't necessarily need to keep him for 18 months to get some work out of him. Obviously you need to consider if you can afford to keep him for longer than planned, and 4k may be a bit ambitious, but he is certainly an option worth considering. As long as you can get that price down that is.

If he is 6, I'd be far more inclined to go and see him at that price tbh... He's far more grown up physically and can handle more work and faster progress.

This is our little grey in May...

And in December...

He's also come 2nd at his first ODE and is ready to go out at BE90 and hopefully progress fairly rapidly. It's 5 months into his schooling (he had just over a month off mid-summer) and he's a different horse. He's got an amazing attitude and is exceptionally bright and brave so it's been good fun.