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Fahrenheit

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I'm not usually one to pick on people adverts but I was just reading Playboys thread in NL about the coloured horse they are interested in and I remembered this advert which REALLY bugged me... what is your thoughts from a coloured breeding point of view?

http://www.colouredcontacts.co.uk/horseforsale_12305


I'll save my views for a while, I just wanted to see what other people thought....
 
why would you???
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poor confo, lack of bone, not particularly attractive, no breeding lines of any worth.
Geld it and let someone enjoy it as a RC allrounder / best friend or whatever!
 
If you wish to be charitable - there really isn't a whole lot you can say about yearlings when you are advertising and anything positive which promotes the sale, is surely shrewd management?
 
I agree Tia on promoting any horse you are selling as best you can, but personally I would not rate this horse (going on the info provided to us and photos) as a future stallion prospect in my eyes.

It may be the future stallion prospect for someone, but does not have the breeding for a start to even get me engaged enough in taking it further.
 
Mmmmmmmm interesting....
My thoughts.....
The title says Hetrozygous, which means the stallion is colouredd and can throw coloured foals but not guaranteed, you'll have 50% chance to a solid mare, 75% chance to a hetozygous mare and 100% chance to a homozygous mare!

Its say out of a CB mare by coloured cob, which again means this horse only have one coloured parent (CBs don't come in two tone as far as i'm aware!) which means it can throw coloured foals but not guaranteed ditto above.

Then it says DNA tested to throw coloured foals....isn't this misleading because
a)It says Hetrozygous b)its breeding is hetrozygous not a chance of it being homozygous! Why would you get it DNA tested to throw colour when a) it is coloured , you know it will throw some coloured foals and b) if only one parent is coloured there is zip chance of it being homozygous so why bother getting it DNAed for homozygousness!

I think they have been honest in the advert but have worded it hoping some smuck that doesn't know the difference between hetro and homozygous will reading it thinking they are buying a homozygous colt that will guarantee coloured foals! just my opinion!

Besides that, I agree with everything you've all said - get the scissors give it the snip!
 
Doh ! I read the ad title but didn't read it properly obviously !! Just sort of assumed it said homo otherwise why advertise the fact at all. Mental note to read things properly next time!
 
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B&J - this happens when you get old! I can vouch for that!
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Doh ! I read the ad title but didn't read it properly obviously !! Just sort of assumed it said homo otherwise why advertise the fact at all. Mental note to read things properly next time!

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Its misleading isn't it! Its clearly telling the truth but in a way your brain might not take in the fact its hetro rather than homo, especially if you don't know what hetro means in the genetic world, the fact it say DNAed to throw coloured implies its homo!
 
I agree, it looks like a right odd-ball, nothing goes together, and it is hideously ugly with extremely poor confo. Why do people cross big horses with coloured cobs in an attempt to get a big quality coloured, it never happens, they always end up with an inbetween height disproportioned animal that is going to struggle to work at any level. I am not against coloureds, I have one myself but both his mother and father were international dressage horses, not coloured cobxnags.
Unfortunately people still buy them because they are coloured. If it were bay you would not be able to get rid of it!
 
Agree. But this is becoming the norm, I'm afraid. Have you seen how many coloured colts are advertised as having 'stallion potential' nowadays?
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It's completely crazy - the vast majority are nowhere near good enough to keep entire; many have such poor conformation they could not even do a decent job of work as geldings!
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Sad isn't it, its just giving all the anti-coloured people more ammo for not likeing them! Its my opinion that if you are going to breed a foal you should breed the best foal you possibly can and don't just do it for the sake of breeding a foal.
 
Breeding for colour is generally not a good idea IMO Most of the people I know that do, end up with loads of cr*p horses that they dont want and cant sell for enough money to make a living from.

The people who breed for a good quality horse that has good confo./temp etc generally get the better horses that may be coloured/palamino etc as an added bonus!

The best coloured foal I have seen this year was bred by Horsegroupie, who I know has never bred for colour, but was delighted when she got one by luck, having chosen a great stallion and a brilliant mare! (And hopefully by mentioning this I have secured the ride on it in a few yrs time!?
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Mmmmmmmm interesting....
My thoughts.....
The title says Hetrozygous, which means the stallion is colouredd and can throw coloured foals but not guaranteed, you'll have 50% chance to a solid mare, 75% chance to a hetozygous mare and 100% chance to a homozygous mare!

Its say out of a CB mare by coloured cob, which again means this horse only have one coloured parent (CBs don't come in two tone as far as i'm aware!) which means it can throw coloured foals but not guaranteed ditto above.

Then it says DNA tested to throw coloured foals....isn't this misleading because
a)It says Hetrozygous b)its breeding is hetrozygous not a chance of it being homozygous! Why would you get it DNA tested to throw colour when a) it is coloured , you know it will throw some coloured foals and b) if only one parent is coloured there is zip chance of it being homozygous so why bother getting it DNAed for homozygousness!

I think they have been honest in the advert but have worded it hoping some smuck that doesn't know the difference between hetro and homozygous will reading it thinking they are buying a homozygous colt that will guarantee coloured foals! just my opinion!

Besides that, I agree with everything you've all said - get the scissors give it the snip!

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Was just about to say this. Not sure how they can say will produce coloured foals when it is hetro and only has one coloured parent.
Not sure what you would want to breed from it either, CB/cob, what could you put to that?
 
Thanks bbmat! It is nice knowing that its not just me that likes my foals! You should have seen him pinging round the field this morning
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I couldn't be happier with him and when the right mare comes along again I will definitely use that stallion again! Better get your show jumping gear together because he'll be doing both disciplines if I have my way!
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Would that be your Phanten colt or your Vincent baby that bbmat is referring to?

They are both super - just seen them on another thread!
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Were neither of them intended to be coloured, then? What a nice surprise!
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If you think coloured breeding is a problem, try palominos! Apparently it's very, very hard to find a good cremello, as the colour is so rare. So people often breed from very second-rate cremellos, just to get a palomino!
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Vincent colt, I did intentionally use a coloured stallion but it was only because I would have used it if it was bay anyway I like him that much!

I did work out what I could get, Dad is Homozygous Black, Hetrozygous Tobiano, mum is bay carrying black so I had
25% chance Bay&White, 25% chance Black&White, 25% chance Black and 25% chance Bay.

I told myself it was going to be Bay, so Bay and White was a lovely surprise and bonus and he arrive the day I got out of hospital so it was a great day!
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If you think coloured breeding is a problem, try palominos! Apparently it's very, very hard to find a good cremello, as the colour is so rare. So people often breed from very second-rate cremellos, just to get a palomino!
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Pah, then some of us expecting a bay or a chestnut off a bay TB mare to a Sec D V dark dun nearly black horse, accidentally get a palomino. One with a love of mud...
 
The colt doesn't impress me hugely as a potential gelding or potential stallion, TBH.

The breeding aspect that concerns me is that by using parents of such different types, I think there is a real danger of getting some kind of weird throwback further down the line, if you put this chap to another cob hoping to breed in some lightness, you might end up with a 15hh tank with all the cob side.

The principle of good breeding for me, if you want to make improvements, is to make those improvements gradually over generations. For example I would like to cross breed my highland pony (just once, all her others have been or will be well bred highlands). I know that dramatic changes are risky so I will be looking for something a little taller without too much bone in the hope of producing a sports horse in the 15hh region..of course I could end up with a highland with long skinny legs, or a taller horse with a tiny pony head, that is a risk, but since the horse will be for me, not for sale, it is a risk I am prepared to take
 
I'm with you on that. I've always used full bred stallions as my mares have been part breds - I didn't want too much of a mix! So fair enough Ivy is half and half - Welsh D to TB - my pony was TB x so I put her back to a TB for Asti. Asti as near enough TB for me (3/4) has gone to a purebred stallion (though and appy - I'll have and Appy x foal.

I did look at some partbred stallions but then what do you get? Heinz 57... If she'd gone to a horse that was say Arab x Hanoverian I'd have a foal that was 1/4 arab, 1/4 hanoverian, 3/8 TB and 1/8 welsh. Madness!

I do think there are starting to be far too many stallions standing that don't have the conformation/breeding/competition record - and sadly a lot just because they are coloured and people can see a money making idea.

I'm not against coloureds, I can see why people like them, some of the markings are stunning. I just don't agree with coloured for coloureds sake - to stand as a stallion it should be an exceptional horse first and the colour should be secondary.

Mind you, that should be applied to mares aswell!

If we are saying a good horse is never a bad colour, it should also work that a good colour doesn't make a good horse...
 
Totally agree Gingermare, I have a definate passion for coloured horses but wouldnt touch that colt as a gelding let alone a stallion prospect! And yes the advert is very misleading although it does tell the truth its told in a way that could easily mislead some buyers!
 
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