Threatened this morning whilst hacking, can I report them?

I would definitely report him, and follow it up to make sure the police have had a word. I think you'll find that they will take it quite seriously. We had two girls on our yard threatened and the police acted by going to the employer of the lorry, as they didn't have the reg, only the company name.

It is not nice to have a threat of being knocked off your horse hanging over your head. I know what it's like, having had the same threat directed at me by an 'international event rider' who actually doesn't care about horses, and who sends his grooms out on horses that dance all over the road.
 
Report it definitely, it falls into the lower end of public order offences and so could be dealt with as a 'local resolution' which I think has just been rolled out nationally. This would mean it gets recorded, he gets spoken to, and you should get an apology at the very least without having to give a statement/attend court etc. it also saves the Police a huge paperwork trail provided he takes the advice given.

Sorry to hear you had such a fright what a total idiot, why don't they ever have a go at me out riding they'd soon bl**dy wish they hadn't!
 
Under Section 4 (1) of the Public Order Act 1986, a person is guilty of an offence if, with intention to cause a person harassment,alarm or distress he -
a) uses threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour, or disorderly behaviour, or
b) displays any writing,sign or other visible representation which is threatening abusive or insulting
thereby causing that,or another person, harassment, alarm or distress.

This may be committed in a public, or private place.
Without doubt, the offence under sec 4 (a) is complete, as it is quite obvious from your post you were alarmed and distressed by his actions. I would also presume you were extremely insulted by the words he used towards you!
Although, his physical approach to you, and taking of the reins also constitutes an assault, as you were put in fear of immediate violence, it does not go so far as to constitute more than Common Assault, which can,if deemed appropriate, be dealt with at court. (Mags)
The speeding is not something that can be dealt with by means of you complaining, as strictly speaking, there is no Evidence ie, calibrated speedos or speed guns etc, operated by a police officer. Certainly there is evidence of driving without due care and consideration for other road users. I would strongly suggest you report this idiot, and make a formal complaint. It is, unfortunately, highly likely that the paperwork swamped police officer will try to convince you to have it dealt with by means of "a quiet word" If you are insistant that you wish to make a written statement, and formal complaint, they have no option but to take it. You have to declare that you are willing to attend court if required. It sounds scary, but this in reality rarely happens.Either the CPS decide for whatever reasons, not to prosecute, or the idiot pleads guilty, and it is all dealt with without calling witnesses. The CPS may recommend a Caution, which is formal,and remains on the person's record, and counts as a conviction. This is different to the "word in the ear" caution which, in effect means nothing, and cannot be checked in the future, or used in court as a previous conviction. This individual may be well known to the police, who may be extremely happy to be able to have the opportunity to try and curtail his driving habits! If people do not complain, these individuals continue on their merry ways behaving in an unacceptable, and dangerous manner, until someone is seriously hurt. Keep the piece of paper you wrote his reg. No on safely - this is evidence, especially as you did it at the time/as soon as you got home,while it was very fresh in you mind.
Good Luck, keep us posted, and stand firm!!!!
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It is, unfortunately, highly likely that the paperwork swamped police officer will try to convince you to have it dealt with by means of "a quiet word" If you are insistant that you wish to make a written statement, and formal complaint, they have no option but to take it. You have to declare that you are willing to attend court if required. It sounds scary, but this in reality rarely happens. Either the CPS decide for whatever reasons, not to prosecute, or the idiot pleads guilty, and it is all dealt with without calling witnesses. The CPS may recommend a Caution, which is formal,and remains on the person's record, and counts as a conviction. This is different to the "word in the ear" caution which, in effect means nothing, and cannot be checked in the future, or used in court as a previous conviction.

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Much of what you advise is correct but exactly how are you qualified to give the above, especially the bit about being called as a witness and 'it rarely happens'?

The whole system of cautions, convictions and guidance from CPS has recently changed in the light of the Flannagan report which was to do with investigations being more proportionate to the seriousness of the offence. A Local Resolution as it's known is recordable, though not a conviction, and can be used in evidence should this driver not comply with the agreed course of action. I work in an area that piloted the above scheme and can say hand on heart it's a breath of fresh air that even the most cynical officers have found very successfull. Please don't make sweeping statements as above, the job is difficult enough without incorrect advice being bandied about.
 
We are having problems with an Impreza in our village, driver does laps obviously timing himself round 3 villages. We are on a 30 stretch of road, but the nationla speed limit sign is only 100 yards away and many cars go past us adangerously excessive speed. This Impreza makes them all look like snails, he is seriously frightening. I got his reg no the other day when he got stuck at a junction and I have chatted to the police officer OH of one of the other liveries. According to him if they get a certain number of complaints, they will have a word with him, and if the complaints continue they can take his car away.

Now I'm not clear on the details, and possibly got the wrong end of the stick, but if anything like this is happening to RP's driver (she possibly won't be the only person to complain about this driver)

The only reason I haven't reported our driver is that I met him while riding the same day as I got his reg, and he slowed down immediately he saw us and was VERY considerate to the horses.
 
Jeez Rosie what a total idiot! Haven't read all the replies yet but please do report him ASAP and I hope you and Oshk are ok? xx
 
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Yes, report it. He has committed a section 4 or 5 public order offence - using threatening behaviour where alarm or distress could be caused.

He has also committed a traffic offence in speeding through the lane like that.

Report him. They will probably give him a warning for now, but do it anyway.
 
How awful yes hope you reported it (sorry not read through the rest of the post by which point you no doubt have by now).

Please be careful in the meantime this man sounds very dangerous.
 
Horrid little [****] head. I had one idiot pass me at 60 on a single track road. I'd signalled for him to slow down but he just stuck his fingers up at me. Few weeks later I was driving past the same spot.....saw fence broken and same car mangled in the field bloke standing next to it on his mobile phone looking bewildered. I resisted the temptation to toot my horn and stick my fingers up at him.....just the knowing of kama made me feel good!

What goes around comes around! Hope you're feeling better today.
 
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Sixteen years of trying to implement various HMIC reports, reviews, Local Policing Plans et al.

However, I do appreciate that, having retired from this particular job some time ago, my knowledge of the current recommendations are not up to date. For any glaring errors or mis-information,I sincerely apologise. I understand the law has not changed, merely the implementation and application of it.
The only thing I can say unequivocally is that, whatever reports, reviews and recommendations emanate from Queen Anne's Gate, and HQ's nationally, on the ground very little changes. Same s**t, just a different depth. Officers are struggling to do a job that changes at an alarming rate, with goalposts being regularly moved. It was, and still is, frequently said, "If we were allowed to just get on with the job, it would be different, but it is a constant battle, more within the service than on the streets" During my long, and varied career, I saw morale plummet, resources be withdrawn and spread increasingly more thinly, and police officers be hampered by all of the above,plus bureaucracy, paperwork, and political correctness. This was not so long ago, and I have no evidence that much has changed.Without doubt the police service must adapt to modern needs, and I believe it is trying to do so. However, perhaps less use of buzzwords, and phraseology, less waste of money and resources (that will NEVER alter), and more emphasis on victims rather than offenders would improve the public perception of where priorities lie. Certainly, a quick trawl of Google shows a huge amount of agencies geared towards the support, rehab and education of offenders, many government funded and staffed. The National Victim Support Scheme is primarily a charity, led and run by volunteers. Again, I may be lacking in current knowledge, and certainly through practical and often heartbreaking experience, I fall into the category of " hardened,cynical officers" (my phrase, not yours), but the biggest problem is public awareness and perception of the service provided. I believe if most law abiding people realised just how few officers were available at any one time, they would be truly horrified. Unfortunately the criminal element is only just too aware of the lack of manpower. If, really, the Flanagan Report has made a difference, and filtered out onto the streets in a positive,practical way, then I am genuinely pleased - it is long overdue. Unfortunately, I haven't seen many of the benefits locally, and I would be interested to know how other members of the public (less bitter and twisted than myself) view the current practices.
 
my god, just read your thread and if you havent reported it by now, get straight on the phone to the police or go to the station and tell them what he said and what he did, from his reg no they will find where he lives and could give him an official warning - grabbing hold of your horse is totally dangerous and he doesnt have a right to touch your property. I too would have shouted at him, ive done it plenty times but only one actually got out of his car, tried to reason with him but made no difference so just told the ignorant
t-sser to eff off
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((((((((())))))) to you. Please do report both of these as the next horse might not be as good as yours. Would hate to think of the what ifs. Good luck do hope you are ok.
 
you have to report it - people like that are SO dangerous, and as the others are saying, he had absolutely NO right to touch your horse apart from having a total attitude problem and his own death wish. Take your statement to the police and get him stopped before he really does hurt someone. Hope you and your poor neddie recover soon.x
 
Defo report it.

My Mum & I were assaulted out hacking by a bunch of Neds 2 years ago, the police were great, really helpful & at no point made us feel like we were over reacting. I think you did well to stay so calm, if he'd grabbed one of mine he'd have got a boot in the face!
 
Definately report him, that's awful what an idiot, if he was a horse he'd have had his balls chopped off long ago with that temper
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shame they can't do the same with people
 
Ive not much faith in the police unfortunatley, very similar incident happened to me two weeks ago. I was hacking on my own and idiot driver in jeep speeds past and was so close his mirror clipped clipped my stirrup.

Horse spooked and done a run and a dance and I had done what you had done with a look of dismay and a 'why' gesture with my arm.

He stopped and got out and tried to grab horse so I couldnt get away and was very aggressive.

Reported him to the police with registration number. The police asked if there were any witnessess. There werent. They said they could not do anything as its my word against his and if they went round to have a word with him, he could just ask them for evidence. They said they would keep it logged though and if this same man is reported 3 or 4 times they would notice a pattern and investigate.

I wish I had thought on my feet as Im sure there would have been someone who seen it!!!
 
I have just been made aware of this, and feel I had to register to say...

I haven't read the whole thread, but have to say I'm appauled/ disgusted by this driver's attitude
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Do report him.

FYI, this has been posted on the VX forum.
http://www.vx220.org.uk/forums/Who-The-Hell-Was-This-t80639.html

I drive a sports car and do blast around country lanes. But am always aware of other road users. Slowing down well before I approach them.
Especially horses, walker's and cyclists.
I have riden in the past and am fully aware of the implications...

I save the major blasting around for track days on the race track
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A safe enviroment for that kind of driving. It's a shame that arrogant plank doesn't do the same....

Driver's like that deserve the book throwing at them
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Early this morning I was on tractor with OH when a little silver VX220 came flying past at the speed of light- about 100 odd mph on a 60mph country road. I remember seeing him because I actually commented to OH what a complete d*ckhead he was and how he would cause an accident driving like that.
Fast forward 3hours and I had taken Oshkeypops on a hack. The same car came flying past- it was on a straight in the road and so he would have seen me 400-500yards from overtaking. he flew past me at some ungodly speed, Oshk's legs went underneath his back end as he skirted forwards and launched into the air. I simply put one arm up in some exaggerated shrug as if to say "WHY".
He obviously saw me because he turned around, sped up the other way and stopped on the opposite side of the road from me. he got out of his car, Oshk still doing the hot coals dance, and said "You got a f*cking problem or something, Love?"
to which I replied "Yes I have, I think you were driving far too fast and could have caused an accident if I had fallen off of my horse."
to which he then replied "Oh f*ck off you silly little bitch, who do you think you are to talk to me like that, you lot are all the same, why don't you f*ck off ?"
So I said "Well I hope when you do cause an accident you harm no one but yourself, it would be a shame for innocent people to be killed by your ignorance"
he then walked up to me, grabbed Oshk's rein, to which he skirted sideways and smacked his fetlock on the curb, and said "Listen you little f*cking bitch, next time I see you I'll try my best to knock you off that f*cking nag, you jumped up little tart, I will drive how the f*ck I like, and I don't care what you say."
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I waited until he had let go of my horse, turned him about and trotted the 100 or so yards up the road to the gates of one of our fields at the far side of the farm. I wasn't meant to ride through it as it was all wheat with small margin, but I felt really shaken up and was quite scared the man would actually drive at me, my hands and legs were so wibbly.
I feel like I'm in the wrong for challenging his speed in some way, as I provoked him with the shrugging my shoulders and making a point of it- but then again that is NOT a safe speed to drive on such a road- especially not as his car is really low to the ground- if he had been in a dip in the road, a tractor could have pulled out, not seeing him, and at that speed he would have been a complete write off.
I have his registration number and was wondering whether I could report him for A) Driving too fast or B) for threatening me. Not sure whether it was technically threatening, but it wasn't nice
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wow what a nice bunch on that car forum!

(ahem was just thinking fancy there being a forum for cars before thinking oh yeah im on a horse forum, lol)
 
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