Thrust for ragwort

All i used to do was section my field, and do it quarter by quarter , id make the mixture quite strong in the backpack sprayer think that cost me £15 but was a lifesaver ! And just target those areas spray and they die, give it a couple of days you can pick up the dead remnants and it leave a wee divvit in the ground but it comes back to normal in a couple of weeks .

 
I wouldn't use Gallup. It's glyphosate so will kill everything including grass.
Thrust is a recommended product for ragwort.
The Progreen website is very informative on weed control.
 
We spent weeks digging the stuff up, then burning, this was an area of 10 acres, my late hubby made sure we dug up the whole plant….we then watched like hawks and if a single plant raised its head, dug up and burnt…after about three years we were completely free of the stuff…we were surrounded by dairy farms so didn’t have the problem of neighbours with it..
I feel so sorry for landowners whose fields are adjacent to council owned ground or roads, as the councils seem to completely ignore the stuff…which is actually illegal…
Late hubby didn’t allow any weed killers as he was very keen to introduce bees, butterflies etc..
 
We used to use Thrust every May - one application. Very effective from knapsack but a massive effort and my back nearly broke.
Then a local farmer started advertising horse field spraying. £500 for 20 acres I almost ripped his arm off (as I thought my back couldn't take another season). He used something called polo I think. Also very effective!
 
Barton Bounty said:
It only killed the grass temporarily for that tiny area, you are not spraying the field, you are spot targeting the ragwort spray only on the root. Never had an issue using it for 10 years
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If you read the labels on any sprays available for public to use without an operator’s licence, you’ll find they speak of weed ‘control’ rather than weed killing.
Herbicides have been ‘watered down’ beyond belief.
Whereas previously a field sprayed against dock and thistle and you wouldn’t see another for c.5 years, maybe longer, now weed spraying has become an expensive, land compacting, administratively burdensome, seasonal activity. Very dubious that any one, or any creature, or environment, or any thing (other than agrochemical profits), has benefitted. It’s a real con.
Glyphosate is more suitable for ‘burning off’ a field prior to plough up, re sow, etc, because your edible grasses die off - but as BB’s found, Gallup concentration won’t ‘kill’ them entirely - even when she’s diluted to less than manufacturer’s directions.
 
Marshpiper said:
We spent weeks digging the stuff up, then burning, this was an area of 10 acres, my late hubby made sure we dug up the whole plant….we then watched like hawks and if a single plant raised its head, dug up and burnt…after about three years we were completely free of the stuff…we were surrounded by dairy farms so didn’t have the problem of neighbours with it..
I feel so sorry for landowners whose fields are adjacent to council owned ground or roads, as the councils seem to completely ignore the stuff…which is actually illegal…
Late hubby didn’t allow any weed killers as he was very keen to introduce bees, butterflies etc..
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Hats off to you, been there, and this is back breaking, truly dedicated work! And as you get older, gets more and more difficult.....
If only a few ragwort shoots, you can genuinely kill by cutting stems very close to ground and pouring several tablespoons of ordinary salt straight onto the sappy stump - leaves a little, blackened hole fairly quickly.
Pulling plants - really good gloves, do not get onto your skin, and do not breathe in any of the smoke from burning - a local woman ended up in intensive care from accidental inhalation -
Posted about this before, ragwort is a great deal more dangerous to far more species and in far more ways than one might imagine from local Councils’ cavalier attitude to the law.
 
MissTyc said:
We used to use Thrust every May - one application. Very effective from knapsack but a massive effort and my back nearly broke.
Then a local farmer started advertising horse field spraying. £500 for 20 acres I almost ripped his arm off (as I thought my back couldn't take another season). He used something called polo I think. Also very effective!
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Sounds your best bet, various proprietary brands, but you need licence and equipment to do effectively, plus if you’ve paid a contractor and some’s patchy - will re-do it for you
 
Marigold4 said:
You can buy Thrust without a licence
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Sure can, and if that’s what you asked contractor to use because you find it works well, great.
Not everyone wants a contractor to spray horse paddocks every spring, might prefer a stronger product (there’s a variety available, as said), for which licence etc. would be needed.
 
Exasperated said:
Hats off to you, been there, and this is back breaking, truly dedicated work! And as you get older, gets more and more difficult.....
If only a few ragwort shoots, you can genuinely kill by cutting stems very close to ground and pouring several tablespoons of ordinary salt straight onto the sappy stump - leaves a little, blackened hole fairly quickly.
Pulling plants - really good gloves, do not get onto your skin, and do not breathe in any of the smoke from burning - a local woman ended up in intensive care from accidental inhalation -
Posted about this before, ragwort is a great deal more dangerous to far more species and in far more ways than one might imagine from local Councils’ cavalier attitude to the law.
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Worth noting that the PAs in ragwort are protoxins that must be metabolised into the toxic form, which takes place in the liver. Even in the unlikely event that small amounts are absorbed transdermally they aren't going to do anyone any harm (although a lot of people are sensitive to members of the daisy family and can develop transient dermatitis from barehanded contact).
 
We have loads even though we had a major dig last year but the vineyard at the top don't give a rats and despite asking them and reporting them many many many many times they ignore us.

I do a few while dee pooing but want to spot spray as with my disability's and TRKR I can't do it for long but slowly slowly I can do a field horses not on and so on.
 
Exasperated said:
If you read the labels on any sprays available for public to use without an operator’s licence, you’ll find they speak of weed ‘control’ rather than weed killing.
Herbicides have been ‘watered down’ beyond belief.
Whereas previously a field sprayed against dock and thistle and you wouldn’t see another for c.5 years, maybe longer, now weed spraying has become an expensive, land compacting, administratively burdensome, seasonal activity. Very dubious that any one, or any creature, or environment, or any thing (other than agrochemical profits), has benefitted. It’s a real con.
Glyphosate is more suitable for ‘burning off’ a field prior to plough up, re sow, etc, because your edible grasses die off - but as BB’s found, Gallup concentration won’t ‘kill’ them entirely - even when she’s diluted to less than manufacturer’s directions.
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I only used it because the yard owner recommended it as I had such a large field to kill, it was just back from a main road so got all the roadside rag blowing in . Now i think I have had two in 3 years! Very thankful for that lol
 
Burnttoast said:
Worth noting that the PAs in ragwort are protoxins that must be metabolised into the toxic form, which takes place in the liver. Even in the unlikely event that small amounts are absorbed transdermally they aren't going to do anyone any harm (although a lot of people are sensitive to members of the daisy family and can develop transient dermatitis from barehanded contact).
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62 years ago I had given to me a lovely grey Welsh x Arab pony, he had been bought from at an auction that hill ponies were sold at ie he had been born on the welsh hills and spent his first years on them….
I had him for three years and then he became ill, now remember this is many years ago but the vets did everything that could, but he died…the vets asked if they could autopsy him as they hadn’t been able to diagnose his illness, this was done and it actually was ragwort poisoning which had destroyed his liver….
We had a dairy farm and he never had been near ragwort with us….
This is why I loathe seeing it being allowed to grow on public land or land owned by people who don’t care…
Another example of a law being totally disregarded by the authorities…..
 
Marshpiper said:
62 years ago I had given to me a lovely grey Welsh x Arab pony, he had been bought from at an auction that hill ponies were sold at ie he had been born on the welsh hills and spent his first years on them….
I had him for three years and then he became ill, now remember this is many years ago but the vets did everything that could, but he died…the vets asked if they could autopsy him as they hadn’t been able to diagnose his illness, this was done and it actually was ragwort poisoning which had destroyed his liver….
We had a dairy farm and he never had been near ragwort with us….
This is why I loathe seeing it being allowed to grow on public land or land owned by people who don’t care…
Another example of a law being totally disregarded by the authorities…..
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Ragwort toxicity can't be confirmed by PM, only hepatic megalocytosis (the damage caused by PAs) - but hepatic megalocytosis can be caused by other things, including the kinds of moulds found on grasses in warm damp summers, which are often eaten where unpalatable plants like ragwort would be avoided.
 
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ILuvCowparsely said:
We have loads even though we had a major dig last year but the vineyard at the top don't give a rats and despite asking them and reporting them many many many many times they ignore us.

I do a few while dee pooing but want to spot spray as with my disability's and TRKR I can't do it for long but slowly slowly I can do a field horses not on and so on.
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What’s Natural England done about your reporting of the issue?
It’s not up to you to chase the neighbours, when you’ve formally reported their illegal behaviour.
 
Burnttoast said:
Ragwort toxicity can't be confirmed by PM, only hepatic megalocytosis (the damage caused by PAs) - but hepatic megalocytosis can be caused by other things, including the kinds of moulds found on grasses in warm damp summers, which are often eaten where unpalatable plants like ragwort would be avoided.
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I’m not arguing about this, posted details once before, but the advice and concern (quite serious concern in her case) re toxicity for humans, is directly from the consultant who dealt with aforementioned woman who finished up in ICU. Subsequently also her GP, so not being a medic, I have no intention of either challenging that advice, or trying to disprove by ignoring it. Others can test transdermal absorption as they please.
 
Exasperated said:
I’m not arguing about this, posted details once before, but the advice and concern (quite serious concern in her case) re toxicity for humans, is directly from the consultant who dealt with aforementioned woman who finished up in ICU. Subsequently also her GP, so not being a medic, I have no intention of either challenging that advice, or trying to disprove by ignoring it. Others can test transdermal absorption as they please.
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Assuming those medics didn't also have a side career in plant toxicology, here's a link to some reading https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/nursing-and-health-professions/protoxin

Even those PAs with a pneumotoxic effect must be eaten for that toxicity to become a concern.
 
Burnttoast said:
Ragwort toxicity can't be confirmed by PM, only hepatic megalocytosis (the damage caused by PAs) - but hepatic megalocytosis can be caused by other things, including the kinds of moulds found on grasses in warm damp summers, which are often eaten where unpalatable plants like ragwort would be avoided.
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I suppose in those long ago years many of the scientific knowledge you refer to were not known, but as that was the reason for death given to me, I will make absolutely one hundred per cent sure that any ragwort that pokes its ugly head on my, now small piece of land is immediately dug and burnt…
Just wish as I have already said that our authorities did the same…
 
ILuvCowparsely said:
We have loads even though we had a major dig last year but the vineyard at the top don't give a rats and despite asking them and reporting them many many many many times they ignore us.

I do a few while dee pooing but want to spot spray as with my disability's and TRKR I can't do it for long but slowly slowly I can do a field horses not on and so on.
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That’s so annoying for you, and on a vineyard as well!!…..are you reporting to correct department/ministry? Health and Safety might be having a slow day!!
 
Marshpiper said:
I suppose in those long ago years many of the scientific knowledge you refer to were not known, but as that was the reason for death given to me, I will make absolutely one hundred per cent sure that any ragwort that pokes its ugly head on my, now small piece of land is immediately dug and burnt…
Just wish as I have already said that our authorities did the same…
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Yes, that may well be true, given the passage of time. I think it's also very valuable to know about other causes of liver damage which are actually harder to physically see, as horses will often eat things affected by moulds when they won't eat ragwort and similarly unpalatable plants.
 
Marshpiper said:
That’s so annoying for you, and on a vineyard as well!!…..are you reporting to correct department/ministry? Health and Safety might be having a slow day!!
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Mainly natural England and people in .Gov



To add I had some of this left over from yard weeks and the small ragwort I sprayed yesterday are now brown and crispy in just 24 hrs.
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