Thunderbrook nuts alert

It can happen, our cats were on Applaws dry food when there was a big recall nearly 2 years ago

I will always wonder if it hastened the death of the AC, however as he was already declining with FIP and would have been PTS if the MRI he was booked for strongly indicated it. I know they can go downhill very fast with FIP but a lot of symptoms of his last day tallied with the food related illness (he never made it to the scan). He may also have only been on Royal Canin gastrointestinal by that point as the FIP was causing him to have terrible diarrhoea. But then people were saying you weren't in the clear for about a month. So he could have been affected while still on the food.

Must admit applaws were fantastic and refunded me the bloods I had done on my ragdoll just in case (people were saying if you wanted any chance of trying to treat it get to the vets when the cells dropped) so I had some donebas a precaution. I think we were on 2 bags of food, 1 kitten 1 adult. I think we'd moved him to adult thinking kitten was too rich for his tummy a few months before

It was a horribly scary time, and while I still use their wet food as it wasn't affected, I've never gone back on their dry food again.
 
TheBigPony said:
I had a bag of thunderbrook meadow nuts recently that were odd, it looked as though it had two different types of nuts in it! They were completely different colours.

Their quality control seems to be lacking....
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It might be worth trying to contact them to see if they are part of the affected batch.
 
meleeka said:
I think it’s a fair assumption if it’s happened to numerous horses fed on it and others have flatly refused the batch.
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This thread is worrying but clarifying for me! I swapped to TB organic meadow nuts for the natural, low sugar option as something I could soak to get a supplement in to my horse. He wolfed the first three sacks down (over a period of time, not in one sitting, I hasten to add ?) but the next sack - different batch date - he flatly refused to touch. Of course, this time I had made room to store and bought two at once, because my nearest stockist is a pain to get to. This was probably 2 months ago, and even if I put five TB nuts in a scoop of speedi-beet, he'll leave the whole lot.
So whilst I'm worried to read about liver enzymes (thankfully I don't think he ever ingested enough to cause him a problem) and very concerned about the allegations about the TB director (what the actual?!) I'm kind of glad to know there's a reason why my horse suddenly refused the feed.
 
I use TB Hay cobs, I did try to change to Agrobs Weisencobs when the sex pest info came out, but usually greedy cob was having none of it!
Any reasonable barefoot friendly alternatives other than Agrobs, anyone?

I see Simple Systems Haycare or St Hyppolyt Glyx MeadowHay Cobs Any one used?
 
poacher82 said:
This thread is worrying but clarifying for me! I swapped to TB organic meadow nuts for the natural, low sugar option as something I could soak to get a supplement in to my horse. He wolfed the first three sacks down (over a period of time, not in one sitting, I hasten to add ?) but the next sack - different batch date - he flatly refused to touch. Of course, this time I had made room to store and bought two at once, because my nearest stockist is a pain to get to. This was probably 2 months ago, and even if I put five TB nuts in a scoop of speedi-beet, he'll leave the whole lot.
So whilst I'm worried to read about liver enzymes (thankfully I don't think he ever ingested enough to cause him a problem) and very concerned about the allegations about the TB director (what the actual?!) I'm kind of glad to know there's a reason why my horse suddenly refused the feed.
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Your story is very similar to those which were on the PSSM forum.

Scats is right that it's always hard to prove if something is responsible for making a horse sick but there seems to have been a lot of equine hoovers who are refusing these - a fair few "my horse eats anything" types. I'm guessing they can smell something we can't
 
Far be it for me to defend thunderbrooks, I'm definitely not a fan. However I do wonder if the dry summer has had an effect on grass based feeds generally. The Grasstastic that I bought before Christmas is looking different to previous though it smells the same and is being eaten.

Palatability is not the same as contamination.

However it would be better if Thunderbrooks proactively did a recall on the entire batch and reassurances of internal testing.
 
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jnb said:
I use TB Hay cobs, I did try to change to Agrobs Weisencobs when the sex pest info came out, but usually greedy cob was having none of it!
Any reasonable barefoot friendly alternatives other than Agrobs, anyone?

I see Simple Systems Haycare or St Hyppolyt Glyx MeadowHay Cobs Any one used?
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Meadow magic is another option. Pony nut sized rather than cobs
 
SEL said:
I'm pleased to see they're taking it seriously. Ignoring the "it poisoned my horse" statement there's no getting away from the fact a lot of horses turned their nose up at this batch and surely it's important to understand why.
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However, that statement makes absolutely no mention of the horses that refused to eat the feed.
 
No pesticides, mycotoxins or salmonella. Ongoing testing they say..
Pesticides arent generally used on hay fields, especially organic hay fields, so unsure why theyd test for something guaranteed to be absent.
Doesnt rule out weed toxins, and they’d make horses not eat a food. There’s hundreds of toxins out there possible to test.
Best to do farm inspections where these cobs are grown, than possibly spend thousands on tests, stabbing in the dark trying to pick what to test.
Go to the source, far easier to identify the issue.
 
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The problem is there are many bonkers people in the world …. Many of them find their way onto the internet! TB sexual ethics aside, this seems like a fair and pragmatic approach to take on any complaint relating to product quality.

If this statement is accurate and the person raising the complaint has forbidden TB to interact with vet, then quite frankly the complainers credibility is heading south rapidly.
 
I had a couple bags of nasty smelling Dengie chop years ago, and they were brilliant about replacing it
jnb said:
I use TB Hay cobs, I did try to change to Agrobs Weisencobs when the sex pest info came out, but usually greedy cob was having none of it!
Any reasonable barefoot friendly alternatives other than Agrobs, anyone?

I see Simple Systems Haycare or St Hyppolyt Glyx MeadowHay Cobs Any one used?
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Yes mine have Haycare and love it
It's marketed as a hay replacer but mine just have a mugful twice a day to put their supplements in, also the odd one dry as a treat
 
YorksG said:
However, that statement makes absolutely no mention of the horses that refused to eat the feed.
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Nor does it quote the batch number, (which is known and was quoted on the other thread), which the horses won't eat , or offer a refund.

When Charnwood supplied a different lot of brewers yeast that lots of horses wouldn't eat because it was made from Czech sour beer not the usual beers, (so just the taste, nothing wrong with it) they gave immediate refunds. Mine was nearly £100.
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TGM said:
This is the post going around Facebook about sick horses and the Thunderbrook nuts:

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Apparently "the horse was unsteady on its feet and looked unwell. Bloods showed poisoning "
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Do we know exactly which nut? I use the Hay Cobs from Thunderbrooks, but only as a treat, not as a feed. So I would really like to know which nuts in particular were the problem.
 
Does anyone remember querying their chaff a few months ago? I’m sure it was that. It was quite obviously different from a previous bag I had although I only feed a small scoop at a time so take forever to use a bag. My ems horse has had unusually high insulin levels this year, I’d absolutely be really vexed with myself if it was due to the chaff.
 
The statement seems to respond exactly as you all stated you would like to see a response. He’s watching and reading this of course. If I was the person involved then I would ask for contact info for his legal advice, I suspect they don’t exist and the statement is meant to scare people. The rebagging of out of date goods and giving it a new best before date has already come up on a previous thread. Plus the customer services denial of any wrong doing, and attacking the accuser. It wouldn’t surprise me if like the chaf issue of quality they denied this is the same
 
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