Tia/everyone....read and understand once and for all!!!

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Please read this comment posted by Tia and let me explain then let me have your opinions........

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I crack you up? Hmm because I mentioned, on a thread about responsible dog ownership, that you lost your dog and then asked for help on here to find a marksman to shoot the dog? The relevance - you come on this thread and tell everyone that they are being too protective over their dogs; seems sadly ironic to me. I don't find it funny in the slightest, but hey if you do, that's your prerogative...

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Tia and everyone else who was on here 18 months ago know the story of Merlin and how he went missing, and the problems I had with farmers threatening to get a local marksman to shoot him. I had been contacted by this man who didn't want to shoot the dog but was duty bound to do it if asked, but promised to call me when he was contacted and let me try and catch him first.

My posting on here all those months ago was in the form of a question..........ie, if you knew that local farmers where not above taking pot shots at stray dogs and leaving them dying in a ditch would you prefer to ask the marksman who'd been called in to do the job to get on and do it rather than leave the dog to an unknown fate?

I'd like everyone to know that I DID NOT try and and find a marksman to shoot my dog, he went missing due to circumstances completely out of my control and Tia has made this unpleasant comment before at the end of a long thread when I don't bow down and agree with her.

And NO, it doesn't crack me up at all Tia, I was being bloody sarcastic in reaction to you yet again going below the belt.
 
Am I missing something here, why post this sort of thread so long after the event ???

Two observations really,

1. If your dog was properly under your control and on your property why is there a need for any marksman at all.

2. I haven't been on this forum for long but from what I see Tia always offers a very balanced, sensible viewpoint and although I didn't see the original thread I can't imagine him / her saying anything inconsidered or confrontational,

the tone of this thread though !!!!
 
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1. If your dog was properly under your control and on your property why is there a need for any marksman at all.

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Er, isn't that obvious, it went missing. It was neither under control nor on her property.
 
If I was in that situation and it was farmer taking pot shots vs marksman then undoubtedly my choice would the latter.

But obviously I'd prefer neither of the above options...
 
Doh !!!!!!!!. Yes thats exactly the point if she had her dog under control and on her prop like she should have there would be no need for a marksman.

The thread was about responsible dog ownership. Obviously a bit too literal for some.
 
Then your post was purely bitching. No need in my opinion.

I know a fully qualified (and registered with KC) dog behaviourist who's two got loose and killed a ewe....accidents happen.
 
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Am I missing something here, why post this sort of thread so long after the event ???

Two observations really,

1. If your dog was properly under your control and on your property why is there a need for any marksman at all.

2. I haven't been on this forum for long but from what I see Tia always offers a very balanced, sensible viewpoint and although I didn't see the original thread I can't imagine him / her saying anything inconsidered or confrontational,

the tone of this thread though !!!!

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Wrong on both your observations!!!!!!!

Of course the dog wasn't on my property. If you had read my post it says quite clearly the dog was loose, and also that the reason he was loose was nothing to do with irresponsible dog ownership.

Yes this did happen 18 months ago but as my post suggests Tia has refered back to it twice since then, once today, so the topic is still current. And yes the tone of my post is not my usual friendly one as Tia posted what she did because she knows it's inflammatory (and slanderous) and that it upsets me just like it did the last time. She will now pop back and say she didn't post it to cause offence or some other such excuse, just like she did last time.
 
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If I was in that situation and it was farmer taking pot shots vs marksman then undoubtedly my choice would the latter.

But obviously I'd prefer neither of the above options...

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Thankyou, my thoughts exactly, which is why it upsets me everytime Tia posts something like 'oh yes, I remember, you're the lady who called in the marksman to shoot her dog' knowing full well that that's not what happened.

It's not nice having to decide if your dog dies quickly or slowly, but then getting stick for it on here?
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i didnt read the original post however i feel this is a bit silly and yes quite possibly bitching. people are all open to their own opinions but whether you accept the comments or not is your own choice.

sorry but i just dont see the point in this type of post
 
If this is just a pop at Tia, why do it on an open forum.

I personally think you will make yourself look silly, just my view though.

I'm not interested enough to argue the semantics of where the dog was or whose fault is was that it wasn't where it should have been.
 
Yes it is my choice to accept the comments or not, and I chose not to and respond on here, that's why it's called an open forum. The point of my post was to correct Tia, again, after she accused me of calling a marksman in to have my dog shot. As a dog lover I don't want anyone to think that was the case and put it on an open forum so everyone could see my response. Bitchy it may be but I didn't start it
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As long as my fellow dog lovers have read the correct version of events I am happy for no further posts to be entered as the object was not to stir up bitchy comments but to set the record straight
 
You poor thing - what an awful situation to have been in. My friends spaniels were shot by a trigger happy farmer, one managed to make it home with half its face missing and the other was recovered the next day. It was the most awful experience. The owner of the dogs has had working gundogs all her life, she exercises them in the same place everyday and the farmer is her neighbour.

Unfortunately terrible things do happen and all animals are unpredictable, just like horses. If your horse escaped from its field and went off down the road - would everyone start shouting out about responsible horse ownership or would they nod and agree, relating an experience about some Houdini they had or had known in the past - I suspect it would be the latter.
 
I never accused you of anything - you came on a thread telling everyone to allow their dogs to run around without being under control, you claimed your dogs did not come back to you every time you called, you said that people shouldn't get so uptight about your dogs running up to them ... after a number of comments back and forth, I mentioned you losing one of your dogs. I thought, obviously incorrectly, that your dog had been on a lead when he broke free? Not that he was running loose? However that is not the point, the point is the dog was not under control and something like this can happen, which is why I simply cannot understand why you are still banging on about people allowing their dogs freedoms when by doing so there could be serious repercussions; you have absolutely no idea why other people keep their dogs on leads, or why they don't want theirs to play with your dogs, and quite simply, it is not your decision to make.

My comment was, and still is, relevant to the conversation on the other thread, not "inflammatory" and not "slanderous", just relevant.
 
That surprised me Tia, I'd have laid money down that you wouldn't reply on this thread... Sorry totally irrelevent to OP!
 
The thread was made to me so obviously I would answer
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Why a new thread needed to be made when the previous thread is just down there, seems weird to me, but the original poster obviously had her own reasons for doing this.
 
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You poor thing - what an awful situation to have been in. My friends spaniels were shot by a trigger happy farmer, one managed to make it home with half its face missing and the other was recovered the next day. It was the most awful experience. The owner of the dogs has had working gundogs all her life, she exercises them in the same place everyday and the farmer is her neighbour.

Unfortunately terrible things do happen and all animals are unpredictable, just like horses. If your horse escaped from its field and went off down the road - would everyone start shouting out about responsible horse ownership or would they nod and agree, relating an experience about some Houdini they had or had known in the past - I suspect it would be the latter.

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Sorry, but horses don't worry/kill sheep/livestock. I had a neighbour's dog attack a foal a few years ago, believe me, if I had had a gun - I would have shot it. Before anyone jumps on me, I have four dogs of my own, they are never on a lead and have my 6 acres to run in, I have also made sure that my fences are terrier proof. Older members may also remember my goose being attacked by a loose GSD a few years ago - would have shot that too.

As a dog owner it is my responsibility to see that my dog is under control, obviously, mistakes/escapes can happen, but a mistake does not absolve me of my responsibility.
 
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Sorry, but horses don't worry/kill sheep/livestock.

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They can (and have) cause car accidents when loose and potentially kill people. I value the life of a person over the life of a sheep.

Don't blame you for wanting to shoot the dog that attacked your foal!

Brave GSD...Geese would definitely get the better of my inuits - they're scared of Tabitha our pig!
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Sirena, if in the OP's position would you choose farmer taking pot shots or the marksman? As the past few posts have gone slightly off of OP's original point....
 
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My friends spaniels were shot by a trigger happy farmer

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I've only ever known a farmer shoot dogs who were actually worrying stock.

Terrible experience for your friend - but you have to ask yourself why these dogs were running around unattended on another farmers property. Unfortunately they paid the ultimate price, and I find it hard to believe that they were shot for no good reason.....

Friends recently rehomed their beautiful GSD because she had become untrustworthy around stock. Heartbreaking - but better than her being shot by the neighbouring farmer, which would have happened.
 
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My friends spaniels were shot by a trigger happy farmer

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I've only ever known a farmer shoot dogs who were actually worrying stock.

Terrible experience for your friend - but you have to ask yourself why these dogs were running around unattended on another farmers property. Unfortunately they paid the ultimate price, and I find it hard to believe that they were shot for no good reason.....

Friends recently rehomed their beautiful GSD because she had become untrustworthy around stock. Heartbreaking - but better than her being shot by the neighbouring farmer, which would have happened.

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A guy I work with lives out in the country and a farmer came to his door, said it had killed one of his lambs and asked for it to be PTS rather than him having to shoot it if found on his land again. Owner then had the dog PTS.

Farmer called at the house later on to say the lamb had been foudn safe and well
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It had just wandered away from the flock and got stuck
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Sorry, but horses don't worry/kill sheep/livestock.

Not to start an argument but they do, or at least some do. I witnessed my own chasing a herd of pregnant ewes around the field, and it looked very much like worrying. Admittedly the sheep had broken into my field and therefore it wasn't my fault, however I certainly wouldn't say horses are entirely blameless.
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Nudibranch you're actually right, our front field looks out onto one of the well known welsh cob studs, they keep 3 fillies in with a flock of Ewes and lambs and numerous times I've watched the cobs chasing the sheep and also cattle/calves when they share the field.
 
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Sorry, but horses don't worry/kill sheep/livestock.

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They can (and have) cause car accidents when loose and potentially kill people. I value the life of a person over the life of a sheep.

<font color="purple">I too value the life of a person over a sheep, and, of course a loose horse can cause accidents, but, if your horse escapes and causes an accident, you are held liable by law these days, this is why we have third party insurance. But, just as we are responsible for the control of our horses, I believe we are also responsible for the control of our dogs, if your dog is worrying livestock, it is the farmers right to shoot it. </font>

Don't blame you for wanting to shoot the dog that attacked your foal!

Brave GSD...Geese would definitely get the better of my inuits - they're scared of Tabitha our pig!
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<font color="purple"> You would have thought so, especially as she was the only goose in a bunch of ganders, but no, they all ran and the goose was not as fast as the ganders were, poor thing. The dog was being walked off lead, came through our front garden, around the side of the house and into the top paddock, where it proceeded to chase, catch and maul the poor unfortunate goose. The owner was a complete ar@e who did not think he was even slightly responsible for HIS dog's behaviour. So, I do take issue with the OPs habit of letting her dogs run loose whilst in a public place - irresponsible and totally selfish IMHO
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Sirena, if in the OP's position would you choose farmer taking pot shots or the marksman? As the past few posts have gone slightly off of OP's original point....

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<font color="purple"> Hopefully I would not be in the OP's position, BUT if I was and had to make that horrible decision, I do admit I would go for the marksman </font>
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I never accused you of anything - you came on a thread telling everyone to allow their dogs to run around without being under control, you claimed your dogs did not come back to you every time you called, you said that people shouldn't get so uptight about your dogs running up to them ... after a number of comments back and forth, I mentioned you losing one of your dogs. I thought, obviously incorrectly, that your dog had been on a lead when he broke free? Not that he was running loose? However that is not the point, the point is the dog was not under control and something like this can happen, which is why I simply cannot understand why you are still banging on about people allowing their dogs freedoms when by doing so there could be serious repercussions; you have absolutely no idea why other people keep their dogs on leads, or why they don't want theirs to play with your dogs, and quite simply, it is not your decision to make.

My comment was, and still is, relevant to the conversation on the other thread, not "inflammatory" and not "slanderous", just relevant.

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Why do you keep refering back to the incident when my dog was loose when you can't remember the facts? He was a semi wild rescue foxhound, still terrified of people but calming down slowly, who broke his lead and ran off after being frightened by some children while I was trying to get him into the car to take to the vets, so if anyone can tell me the connection between that and letting my dogs meet and greet other dogs then please let me know.

And what you accused me of was asking on here if anyone knew a marksman that would shoot the dog, (see original quote of yours at top of thread) which is quite untrue and inflammatory in the respect that it makes me furious and is also very unkind and unnecessary and didn't relate in any way to the original posting. Why pretend you posted it for any other reason than that we disagreed over something and this is the way you retaliate, as you have done before? Lots of people have different opinions on how dogs should be looked after and trained so why my opinions should rile you to this point again I don't understand

PS And I DID NOT come on here telling everyone to let their dogs run out of control either! I said I allowed my dogs to socialise off lead with others and thought some people stored up trouble by keeping their dogs on the lead rather than let them meet and learn the boundaries for themselves. If that doesn't sound sensible and wouldn't work for you then fine, don't do it!!!
 
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Dare I ask here.what happened to the dog?

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He wasn't sighted at all after 8 weeks of going missing so unfortunately I have no idea. I suspect he was shot by one of the farmers but they are well known round here for not reporting it so the poor thing probably did end up in a ditch somewhere.
 
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