Tie Up logs - from way back!

[Goldenstar]

I have one my dad made it when I was seven when I went to PC camp for the first time .
They sell rubber ones now .
I see them quite often at driving trials .
They are a very good idea.

 

[Tnavas]

Ahh, thank you, I think I get it! Might have to get family friend who is good with wood to make me one! Are they safe, what with not having a break point like baler twine? Or would a smooth lead rope threaded through baler twine be smooth enough? Oh, and does it matter how high the tie ring is? Standard tie rings on trailers are rather high for small ponies so presume the rope would just need to be longer?

The rope MUST be able to move freely up and down the tie ring so no you cannot use baler twine.

Often horses that pull back do very well on this system as they can have a good length of rope that they can move around freely.

The log generally needs to only just touch the ground when the horse is standing close to the tie ring with its head in a comfortable position. If the log rests on the ground it is possible for the rest of the rope to be so slack that the horse can then get it's head under.

If being used with a trailer have the rope only long enough to reach the top of the mudguards so that the log cannot get caught underneath and pull off the mudguard.

FinnishLapphund - what key words did you use to get the photos - I tried to find some and couldn't

 

[JFTDWS]

thanks for the pics, FL, much clearer now!

 

[Spring Feather]

Horses which are tied to things which break can learn that pulling breaks things. I have never, in 40+ years with horses, ever tied a horse to a breakable point (or baler twine); hate the stuff. If you properly start horses tying up, they will tie. The weighted logs are brilliant and have worked for hundreds of years.

Same here.

There are still a lot of working farm horses around where I live so many of the barns that have standing stalls for their work horses have tie logs.

 

[Jesstickle]

I have always known they exist but never thought of it for the trailer. What a good idea

 

[Tnavas]

Just remembered a 'term' that was once used - 'Long Rack' was tying to a log. and 'Short Rack' reffered to tying the horse to a higher ring with a short rope for things such as grooming

 

[Rowreach]

We've always called them "chogs" from the time when my forebears kept a large city livery yard in the days when horses were used for transport. I've got about 20 of them polished up in a decorative pile by my fireplace Originally the rope would be passed through a hole in the long wooden manger on the far wall of the stall, which would be considerably lower than a tie ring. If you visit NT properties which still have stables, you can often see the holes (and then you can educate the NT staff as to what they're for because I've not found any that know so far ).

 

[FinnishLapphund]

Ahh, thank you, I think I get it! Might have to get family friend who is good with wood to make me one! Are they safe, what with not having a break point like baler twine? Or would a smooth lead rope threaded through baler twine be smooth enough? Oh, and does it matter how high the tie ring is? Standard tie rings on trailers are rather high for small ponies so presume the rope would just need to be longer?

I think that the translation from Swedish would equal that we call it a running lead rope, so that is what I will call it. To me, a horse tied up in a stall equals tied up with a running lead rope, and I've never seen anyone use a running lead rope in combination with baler twine (but then it is not as if I've been to every stable in Sweden).

I've heard that accidents can happen, and that if they do, they're usually caused by that the running lead rope is not being drawn back the way it should (due to e.g. too long running lead rope and/or worn out tie up log that no longer weighed what it used to weigh), but that they also can be caused by a horse or pony that is trying to outsmart the tying up device or happen because sometimes accidents that should not be able to happen, still happens. I presume that the later is similar to that I've heard of accidents were the baler twine didn't break, which also is not supposed to happen.

Strangely enough, I've not been able to find any exact measurments for correct lenghts on running lead ropes etc. (almost everything else seems to have rules measured down to centimetres about this and that in Sweden, but not running lead ropes ), the only rules I've found regarding this, says that in stalls, the tying ring on the wall should sit 1 metre up on the wall for horses and a little lower for ponies, and that the running lead rope's lenght should allow the horse to be able to rest their head on the ground when lying down.

I know that they're not the same as baler twine, but if you want to be able to release a horse/pony that has pulled back and tightened the lead rope, there is lead ropes with panic hooks

like for example this one lead rope with panic hook.

Whatever you choose to use, remember that ideally a running lead rope should not pull on the horse's head, without only on the running lead rope itself. Too much slack is a big no no, and as an example, to me, this running lead rope is definitely not running! It is too much slack, and an accident waiting to happen.

 

[Spring Feather]

We've always called them "chogs" from the time when my forebears kept a large city livery yard in the days when horses were used for transport. I've got about 20 of them polished up in a decorative pile by my fireplace Originally the rope would be passed through a hole in the long wooden manger on the far wall of the stall, which would be considerably lower than a tie ring. If you visit NT properties which still have stables, you can often see the holes (and then you can educate the NT staff as to what they're for because I've not found any that know so far ).

Chogs!! That's what I knew them as too. I couldn't think of the word earlier, thank you Yes all the ones I've seen are exactly how you describe, and that's how they were when I was a kid and saw them on working farms.

 

[Enfys]

Whole point is horse can lie down and eat off ground so a higher ring would defeat its object.

Obviously I quite understand their use in permanent stalls.

I was referring to the fact that for normal, everyday use, so many tie rings nowadays are placed too low If a horse is tied up shorter and higher then a lot of accidents would not, could not, happen If they are trained properly in the first place, they will stand.

Obviously, and it should go without saying (I automatically assume that everybody has a functioning brain until proven otherwise) but on HHO one has to say it, commonsense and a knowledge of individual horses comes into play when tying up.

 

[Enfys]

Originally the rope would be passed through a hole in the long wooden manger on the far wall of the stall, which would be considerably lower than a tie ring. QUOTE]

40 years ago we had the wooden cattle stalls in our barns, sounds just as you are describing, complete with the wooden hayrack (munch stations are copied from them) with a trough on top.

My ponies all lived in these stalls, tied up, with logs, chogs, buttons or whatever they are colloquially known as.

 

[FinnishLapphund]

The rope MUST be able to move freely up and down the tie ring so no you cannot use baler twine.

Often horses that pull back do very well on this system as they can have a good length of rope that they can move around freely.

The log generally needs to only just touch the ground when the horse is standing close to the tie ring with its head in a comfortable position. If the log rests on the ground it is possible for the rest of the rope to be so slack that the horse can then get it's head under.

If being used with a trailer have the rope only long enough to reach the top of the mudguards so that the log cannot get caught underneath and pull off the mudguard.

FinnishLapphund - what key words did you use to get the photos - I tried to find some and couldn't

I did two searches on Google images, but I used Swedish key words, I used both Häst i spilta = Horse in stall, and only Spilta = Stall.

Went back and did a new search using Hast i spilta (since you don't have ä), and e.g. found this photo

So if you need to find them again, remember the word Spilta.