Time limit to visit horses in DIY livery

criso said:
Most of the yards round here anyway are mixed diy/full/part or a sort of managed diy where there is still a ym and services offered. Maybe because people working or living in London, only want to visit at one end of the day so prefer yards that also offer services.

Having said on these yards they often don't have staff around past 5 or 6 o clock so either the owner if they are on site does a late check or last livery on the yard locks up. If staff live on site they are officially off duty however they probably keeping half an eye on the fact that there are still people around and can't fully relax till they know the last person is gone.
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I agree but we are talking DIY yard not part or full livery mix
 
Lark said:
1. Safety is an absolute first priority. We would never leave the yard unsupervised if someone was riding in the event of an accident. We may not have eyes on someone all of the time in the event that they did fall off it would not be 8 hours until they were found! Which could happen if someone was riding very late.
I am surprised that this has not come up before as a primary concern???

But back to the beginning no.1 is definitely the safety of the person on the yard. I shiver at the thought of someone being hurt, injured and helpless the entire night.
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I am a grown up and am happy to take responsibility for myself around horses, I work on a yard and am there on my own 5 days per week, all my hacking is done alone on a day to day basis-I get on, go off and ride, I get lost and find my way back-it is the one aspect of my life that is not controlled by others and it's great
 
I may be totally wrong here ... but are the restrictions not also in place for legal reasons so that it is clear there is no permission to reside there for 24 hrs a day - hence avoiding any squatting rights issues later down the line? I may have got totally befuddled on that one - it was what a YO said to me once about why they had in their contract that horses could only be seen during day light hours ... in reality they were more than happy for us to arrive early - I deem anything prior to 6.30am to be early - and stay late, it was just a clause in the contract to protect them.
 
twiggy2 said:
I agree but we are talking DIY yard not part or full livery mix
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Even DIY yards round here seem to have a certain amount of 'management' and staff. If people want to go totally DIY, they tend to rent their own yard or land.

However in this case we are talking about someone's private yard attached to their house where they have chosen to take in a couple of liveries. I do think that that's relevant as it's first the YOs home, they probably feel they can't switch off and relax till everyone's gone and if they keep early nights then between 10 and midnight may be late for them.


Like many other things these terms can mean different things.
 
criso said:
Even DIY yards round here seem to have a certain amount of 'management' and staff. If people want to go totally DIY, they tend to rent their own yard or land.

However in this case we are talking about someone's private yard attached to their house where they have chosen to take in a couple of liveries. I do think that that's relevant as it's first the YOs home, they probably feel they can't switch off and relax till everyone's gone and if they keep early nights then between 10 and midnight may be late for them.


Like many other things these terms can mean different things.
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I agree with the notion that the YO can put in place any 'rules' they like and liveries have to abide by them, also that people moving on to a yard should discuss in full what they expect from a yard as should Yo discuss what they expect from a livery-I think OP has just been a bit naive in thinking late nights are OK on all yards.
 
I think the OP did say from the start they had to work late from time to time but suspect two people walked away from the that conversation with a different interpretation of what late means.
 
You say you were late due to a delayed flight? What would happen if that flight were not merely delayed a few hours but by days. This happened to me on a flight from Dublin so not long haul. Fog caused all flights to be cancelled for 28 hours. What would happen to your horse in that case? Would it starve? I am sorry but if your job entails travel of that nature you are not in a position to DIY without very, very good backup.
 
THE PROBLEM IS SOLVED !

I will move next month to an other yard, where they have staff, and if i need to travel abroad, or to work late one day per week, i will ask them to take care of my horses as full livery.
 
I really must get the council to switch the street lights off after dark and stop people walking out side my home. It's a real nuisance.

I'm still laughing at the YO who has to follow her liveries around in case they hurt themselves and then has to check the owners know which stable and what rug their horse has.
Good job the yard shuts at 7pm at weekends. They'll be back home in time for CBeebies and warm milk.
 
twiggy2 said:
I think OP has just been a bit naive in thinking late nights are OK on all yards.
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that's not a question of naivety

I come from France, my horses as well, where DIY livery DON'T EXIST, it is just full livery.
So we don't need to stay late, as it is just riding.
And even if it is late, in my last livery it was opened from 7am to 10pm (so just to ride).

So i didn't know at all, what is the operating in stables in this country.
 
MerrySherryRider said:
I really must get the council to switch the street lights off after dark and stop people walking out side my home. It's a real nuisance.

I'm still laughing at the YO who has to follow her liveries around in case they hurt themselves and then has to check the owners know which stable and what rug their horse has.
Good job the yard shuts at 7pm at weekends. They'll be back home in time for CBeebies and warm milk.
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The difference is that those of us with farms/yards are not used to people being around at night, and if they are they're usually suspicious, so movement/lights on the property at unsocial hours does disturb us more. And also you get used to living in the dark, so light really does wake you up. If you live in a town you probabaly won't understand! And to laugh at someone who cares whether their clients hurt themselves is a bit weird IMO.

Ps,
edited to add, glad you've found another yard OP, I think you'll be happier in the long run.
 
Honey08 said:
The difference is that those of us with farms/yards are not used to people being around at night, and if they are they're usually suspicious, so movement/lights on the property at unsocial hours does disturb us more. And also you get used to living in the dark, so light really does wake you up. If you live in a town you probabaly won't understand! And to laugh at someone who cares whether their clients hurt themselves is a bit weird IMO.

Ps,
edited to add, glad you've found another yard OP, I think you'll be happier in the long run.
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I hope so
thank you !
 
Honey08 said:
The difference is that those of us with farms/yards are not used to people being around at night, and if they are they're usually suspicious, so movement/lights on the property at unsocial hours does disturb us more. And also you get used to living in the dark, so light really does wake you up. If you live in a town you probabaly won't understand! And to laugh at someone who cares whether their clients hurt themselves is a bit weird IMO.

Ps,
edited to add, glad you've found another yard OP, I think you'll be happier in the long run.
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I'm currently living half the week on a lit street and half the week on a dark country lane. I seem to be able to cope with sleeping.
What I find weird is a YO who thinks her clients need following around in case they hurt themselves or put the horse in the wrong stable.
Having only once had the misfortune to be briefly on a yard where the owner wanted clients to leave by early evening, I must have been lucky to always be on yards where the YO doesn't see owners as an inconvenience.
That said, YO's can do as they please, but just make sure potential liveries know before they come.
 
It never really occurred to me to check on opening times when I moved to my current yard.

The owners live on site, so we try to be as considerate as we can. I know a few go up at 5am, I'm normally there about 7.15am and back at about 5.15pm. The fields are organised so people arriving or leaving at a certain time get put together so there's not normally an issue about when to turn out or bring in. The latest mine's been out is around 6pm but that's unusual, and I've often been last off the yard, at around 6.45pm. I don't think there's an upper limit in summer.

As long as the last person out turns the lights off and shuts all the gates behind them they're pretty good, and there's never a problem if you need to be late/overnight with a sick horse, in fact I've known the YO to stay out with the worried owner to keep them company, though she's not specially horsey.

We tend to discuss Christmas Day between us in advance as to arrival and departure times so the family know where they stand, but that's just us - it's not expected.

Like others have said, if your YO lives on site it's about consideration for their home and property.
 
MerrySherryRider said:
I'm currently living half the week on a lit street and half the week on a dark country lane. I seem to be able to cope with sleeping.
What I find weird is a YO who thinks her clients need following around in case they hurt themselves or put the horse in the wrong stable.
Having only once had the misfortune to be briefly on a yard where the owner wanted clients to leave by early evening, I must have been lucky to always be on yards where the YO doesn't see owners as an inconvenience.
That said, YO's can do as they please, but just make sure potential liveries know before they come.
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So you have never seen a door left unlocked?
You have never found a loose horse on the yard in the morning?
Tackroom unlocked?
You have never seen someone forget to rug a horse?
You have never seen anyone knocked unconscious or badly hurt?
Tack stolen?
Horseboxes stolen?

We have a duty of care to our owners, their horses and their property plus our own.
It is childish to think that a yard would not to take every measure possible to provision for peoples security and saftety.

Of course people go hacking but if they are alone we get an idea of the intended route.
If I go hacking I let people know where I am going.

But absolutely no way would we have someone riding in the middle of the night alone where if anything did happen nobody would be aware of it for hours.

Bizarre to think that anyone would find a consideration for their personal welfare as laughable.
Perhaps experience will teach you otherwise.
 
Here here Lark - I so agree with you. OP I am so glad that you have found other arrangements that will suit you and your horses better and also suit your current yard owner better too. Job done everyone happy!!!
 
No, mine doesn't have any 'set' hours as such now.
When i was younger (upto being 16) i wasn't allowed there past 6 in winter as it's dark and the yard is down a lane in the middle of nowhere and there's only me there! But now i'm 19, i don't have any limit as long as i have my boyfriend with me :P
I didn't like the limit at first but i guess he was just looking after me :)
 
Interesting post.

MerrySherryRider, I think you are being a bit harsh on the livey owner who is concerned about injury. As a livery owner/manager there is a duty of care towards clients and no doubt ther will be insurance requirements etc.

We must also remember that some yards will be governed by planning conditions on opening hours, these are common where neighbours object to applications for livery yards, as they so often do.

I have my own yard and if I had liveries I wouldn't be able to switch off until everyone had gone - I am a bit of a control freak. But then again I regularly ride until 10/11pm. In the winter when they come in at 3 or 4pm let mine out at 10pm into the arena for a leg stretch whilst I skip out and replenish hay, in fact the boys always do a pee when they are turned out into the arena saving me bedding and effort.

I didn't think horses went to sleep at night as such, but that they cat nap through out the day and night, it certainly doesn't upset my lot if I appear at a queer time. What they wouldn't like is variable breakfast time or someone getting breakfast when they didn't. Good job I don't have to think about it.
 
MerrySherryRider said:
I really must get the council to switch the street lights off after dark and stop people walking out side my home. It's a real nuisance.

I'm still laughing at the YO who has to follow her liveries around in case they hurt themselves and then has to check the owners know which stable and what rug their horse has.
Good job the yard shuts at 7pm at weekends. They'll be back home in time for CBeebies and warm milk.
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Ha ha! Indeed!

We have some friends who rent out a few barns and sheds, they often moan about their tenants coming on a Sunday 'cause they have to drive past their house and garden and they feel they have no peace and privacy. They need to choose which is more important to them, the rent money or the privacy! Of course, most of us don't have the luxury of choosing who walks /drives past our houses and gardens.

I have said on here more than once that yards are often part of people's homes and we should respect this and not make nuisances of ourselves, but animals are not a 9 - 5 thing and if they cannot accept sharing their property they shouldn't rent it out.
 
Lark said:
So you have never seen a door left unlocked?
You have never found a loose horse on the yard in the morning?
Tackroom unlocked?
You have never seen someone forget to rug a horse?
You have never seen anyone knocked unconscious or badly hurt?
Tack stolen?
Horseboxes stolen?

We have a duty of care to our owners, their horses and their property plus our own.
It is childish to think that a yard would not to take every measure possible to provision for peoples security and saftety.

Of course people go hacking but if they are alone we get an idea of the intended route.
If I go hacking I let people know where I am going.

But absolutely no way would we have someone riding in the middle of the night alone where if anything did happen nobody would be aware of it for hours.

Bizarre to think that anyone would find a consideration for their personal welfare as laughable.
Perhaps experience will teach you otherwise.
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Wow, how me, my horses and tack have survived all these years with me doing virtually everything alone is an absolute miracle!
 
MerrySherryRider said:
I really must get the council to switch the street lights off after dark and stop people walking out side my home. It's a real nuisance.

I'm still laughing at the YO who has to follow her liveries around in case they hurt themselves and then has to check the owners know which stable and what rug their horse has.
Good job the yard shuts at 7pm at weekends. They'll be back home in time for CBeebies and warm milk.
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It's what you're used to. When in London, I got used to sleeping through sirens, nightclub music, people in the flats around me etc, but here in the middle of no where a floodlight going on or car starting would wake me, as it's not part of the normal spectrum of noises. Equally I've had friends from London visit me here and been unable to sleep because 'it was creepily quiet' during the night and 'the birds are ridiculously loud' in the mornings.

But someone wandering on to the yard and switching on a floodlight, or starting the car, or noise of hooves (one noise when I worked full time on a yard we were TRAINED to bolt awake at in case a horse was loose) would certainly wake me up. But comparing it to street lights isn't really legitimate I think.
 
marmalade76 said:
Wow, how me, my horses and tack have survived all these years with me doing virtually everything alone is an absolute miracle!
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I ride, lunge, hack, have youngsters etc and do everything on my own and have for the last few years. there's a difference though between me doing that in my own space and doing on a yard owned/run by others. If I let out a stable and was on site, I would feel obliged to check that someone wasn't lying unconscious all night, I don't see how that is a laughable or somehow annoying trait tbh.
 
khalswitz said:
It's what you're used to. When in London, I got used to sleeping through sirens, nightclub music, people in the flats around me etc, but here in the middle of no where a floodlight going on or car starting would wake me, as it's not part of the normal spectrum of noises. Equally I've had friends from London visit me here and been unable to sleep because 'it was creepily quiet' during the night and 'the birds are ridiculously loud' in the mornings.

But someone wandering on to the yard and switching on a floodlight, or starting the car, or noise of hooves (one noise when I worked full time on a yard we were TRAINED to bolt awake at in case a horse was loose) would certainly wake me up. But comparing it to street lights isn't really legitimate I think.
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Exactly, thank you!

At home I wake up at every set of hooves that go past on our lane and generally every car and especially bigger vehicles that go past in the middle of the night as we generally don't have traffic on the lane. I'm generally a very light sleeper having grown up in an area with little traffic and no street lights, however when I'm away on trips I can sleep with any background noise as its not my problem whats going on around me, if you see what I mean.
 
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