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There is a very expensive (perhaps rightly so) Lusitano over there >>>

http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/clas...l/impressive-puro-sangue-lusitano-499525.html for those that would like to look.

Now I know that Spanish horses can be fairly front heavy, but I was just quite shocked at just how unbalanced his front end musculature seems to be compared to his back end, especially considering the level and amount of work he is in. It doesn't look to me to be conformational either.

Can anyone that knows more about them then me shed any light?

* I won't comment on the Rolkur!*
 
cobsarefab said:
My mind got stuck at the 16.7 hands bit.
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/\ this.

Methinkies something was perhaps lost in translation!?
In fairness the rump to front proportions seem better in the at liberty trotting picture and the rider looks quite tall, so that may be making it seem worse than it really is?
 
that will be because on the continent they just use centimeters I put money on it being 167cm.

They can have quite angular bums, and late maturing which I suspect is making it look as he does atm.
 
He's only 5 so wouldn't expect him to be massive yet. He'll probably balloon if he comes to the UK and gets given grass as I don't think they often get that in Spain. My horse, although not that breed, grew massive very quickly at 7 once he was finally at a place with proper grass.
 
Leo Walker said:
Mine looked like that when he had SI issues.I'll put money on there being something wrong physically!
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That's what popped into my head too. I'm not saying that he does have them, of course, because that sort of thing is impossible to diagnose from pictures, but the possibility would definitely concern me if I was looking to buy.
 
A great deal of the Spanish / Lusitano horses over here look like that. But then again, they are often backed at 2, jumping by 3 or 4, and are hammered in their young lives. My Lusitano cross mare looks exactly like this, she has vaquera training which is really tough on young joints, she is really stiff in her rear end, and basically knackered at 15.
 
He's a Portuguese horse, guys, not Spanish :p

I wouldn't necessarily assume there is anything wrong with this horse. Lusos can be very slow maturing and the bum tends to be the slowest part of all! I guarantee in three or four years time he will look very different.
 
I'd be more interested to know why he's gelded. The Portuguese traditionally don't geld their Luso boys as a matter of course, even if there's no intention of breeding. That's a bigger question to me than his bum.
 
There's a lot of BS being stated on this thread!
As above, he's Portugese, in Portugal. Nothing to do with Spain, totally different breed. Also, it's very rare for a lusitano to be backed at 2 let alone jumping?! Jumping is not what lusos are bred and trained to do.
Anyway, the horse doesn't float my boat, there are nicer lusos for that money!
 
TBH his proportions aren't that unusual - the Iberian's can take an age to muscle into their angular back ends.

I'm not much of a fan of that one - it looks distinctly plain and rather unhappy.
 
TheMule said:
There's a lot of BS being stated on this thread!
As above, he's Portugese, in Portugal. Nothing to do with Spain, totally different breed. Also, it's very rare for a lusitano to be backed at 2 let alone jumping?! Jumping is not what lusos are bred and trained to do.
Anyway, the horse doesn't float my boat, there are nicer lusos for that money!
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As someone who lives 2 hours from the Portugese border, where the vast majority of horses are Lusos and PRE's, I can tell you, fact, not BS, in this part of Spain at least, the majority of horses are backed at 2. In the past few weeks I have just bought a filly, and several 3 and 4 year old that I viewed were already jumping and performing at a level that in the UK would be more likely for a 6 year old.
 
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i think it was novilhiero who was a lusitano grade A showjumper

while they have different stud books, i believe they are really the same horse but separated by a border, or so i was told by a lady who was given authority to issue passports for the hispano arabe horses in the uk
 
they do make good jumpers-careful and bold (imle) without the scope of a WB but generally nicer looking ;) I've been to a fair few local level sjing comps in Portugal and there's always some lusos there competing. Then of course Novilheiro but he was one of those freaks of nature that was a GP dressage horse, won his one and only event and then went on to be highest earning sjer in 1983 (I think). Novilheiro (who's full brother Opus 72 was a legendary bullfighting horse, champion 5 times) sired Crown Cornelian who in turn sired quite a few useful jumping types!

For those that can ride them they are a great leisure horse and although the stud books were only split in the 70s, there are differences in type and temp (with some overlap depending on lines) with the luso generally being smaller, more compact and sharper.

they can take forever to mature-they are often pushed way too quickly. That said I think the backend on that one is extreme- I think there are nicer ones for alot less than that price despite the Alter dam and wonder why its been gelded..
 
HashRouge said:
He's a Portuguese horse, guys, not Spanish :p

I wouldn't necessarily assume there is anything wrong with this horse. Lusos can be very slow maturing and the bum tends to be the slowest part of all! I guarantee in three or four years time he will look very different.
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I was about to point out that Lusitano's are Portuguese, not Spanish (thats Andalusians)! Wrong country ;) My luso x who was bred in Portugal was gangly for a long time. They are generally pretty solid in front, especially the traditional ones from what Ive seen. Looks nice enough, just young/immature. Bloody expensive though, but they still seem to command high prices :( If they didnt then Id have a pure bred by now! I love them, Ive only got a part bred Luso but wow he could jump and is the most intelligent horse Ive ever had (sadly he broke himself in the field ending his eventing and BS career but hey ho!). Sure, they're not bred to jump but no reason why they cant. Especially the sportier ones.
 
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MagicMelon said:
I was about to point out that Lusitano's are Portuguese, not Spanish (thats Andalusians)!
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Ooops! My bad.

I am aware that they quite often have a smaller angular bum, but it was the difference between the front and back end that I was quite shocked at. As a 5yo gelding, I would have expected him to be pretty weak all over. Learnt some pretty cool things from this thread though, every day is a school day!
 
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