Tiny sarcoids? Or not? What would you do?

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I've had my mare about 6 months. When I got her I noticed she had a hard lump on the inside of her right ear about the size of a 1 p piece. She didn't like it touched, but it was covered in fur ( and still is) but was in no means bothering her. I presumed it to be a bit of cauliflower ear or an old scar so have left well alone. This hasn't changed at all, however, upon close inspection today she seems to have 3 small large pin head type warts round her udders. They are the hanging down type, and if I was mean or not bothered or worried about aggrevating them I could pick them off ( even though he would object). I've left them but am now worried they are baby sarcoids and obv. Don't want them to get any bigger. So question is do I get vet to check them next week and treat as is. Or do I again leave alone and wait and see. I don't want to claim on insurance invade they are a problem in future and get an exclusion, when they could well be a less sinister wart ie milk wart type thing. Anyone got any experience of anything like this? Mare is not for sale and is my pride and joy despite being a nappy moose so trying to think long term. I'm already v. Careful, keep her well rugged and covered and all cuts are very well treated asap. Just not sure if to mention to vet and Liverpool cream for something so small or to leave alone and see if they fall off ( they aren't very rooted so may do)
 
It could just be a wart type skin condition or the dreaded sarcoid?

My old TB/ID had one similar thing a few years ago and I used CAMROSA which was fab. I found it looked weepy during the spring/summer months and hibernated during the winter. I kept on top of it by using CAMROSA, which after a time, cleared it up completely, dried to a crust and then disappeared.

If you are really worried, get your vet to do a biopsy who can confirm what it is and whether it's mailignant or not?
 
when i had my horse vetted before purchase the vet told me about her having a few sarcoids on the inside of her hind legs. he said to use aloe vera gel as it works just as well as liverpool cream and is a lot cheaper. she had 2 verrucose and one occult all about the size of a 5p coin. after using the gel for about 2 weeks they just dropped off and she hasnt had any since! - thought i'd share my little cure with you all!

however i couldnt tell you whether your mare has sarcoids or not!
cant you phone your vet and ask his opinion? he will tell you whether he thinks he should come take a look
hope you can easily get rid, whatever they turn out to be :)
 
Yes, I could ask my vet, but don't really want to go down that route yet as they really are tiny and I don't want to have something treated now that may or may not be a larger problem in the long term. My vets out weekly anyway. Has anyone got any experiences of the first sign of sarcoids forming? Or of what happened when they did or didn't treat tiny ones? If I go for treatment I will prob go for lazering, as had one with v. Bad ones couple of years ago who was sorted by this.
 
Sarcoids can be a form of cancer and you absolutely should never use Aloe Vera on anything which might be cancerous either topically (applied to the skin) or internally (fed). Aloe Vera stimulates cell growth and this can make a sarcoid grow at an alarming rate.

Doing nothing to it would be more advisable than using Aloe Vera without seeking veterinary advice. Please ask your vet to have a look if you are worried.

My horse has what I think is a sarcoid. My vet looked at it and said it was just a wart so we are using a course of a homeopathic remedy called Thuja. I don't know if it will work but it is worth a try.
 
i'd get them looked at. If they are sarcoids the beggers need zapping asap! My boy has had 2 rounds of liverpool treatment, over a year ago on different sarcoids. Worked a treat and (touching lots of wood) we're good. I also put him on a 3 month treatment of global herbs sarc-ex - which I think did a lot of good - go to their website for info but its like a liver tonic, think it helped remove the **** that is in the liverpool cream - it is pretty nasty but it does work (in my case). If they arent sarcoids, will your nice vet just make a 'mental note' of the conversation or are they anal and write everything on the horses records??
 
I brought a horse with what I thought was a tiny spur scab on his side, I didn't think much about it but the summer came and grew bigger, the vet was up doing his yearly flu & tet jab so I asked her what she thought it was and she said it looked like a sarcoid and talked me through the possibilties but it didn't go on any of his records as she just gave me the Liverpool cream advice.

Anyway, I thought I would try the cheaper option :confused: - thuja, but that made it 100% worse, it went all red and weepy and got bigger - yuck! so I stopped and just to keep the flies off it I put sudocream on it twice a day.

It has dissapeared now, well there is a tiny, tiny black dot still there, so now I am just leaving it, but if it does get bigger again, I am just going to put sudocream on it again.
 
Don't worry, there is no way I will be putting anything on them as have seen them get massive and spread before due to I'll advised treatments. Nor would I have them frozen ect as have seen them cone back. Only real option is Liverpool cream or lazering as I want the root of the buggers out! My vets pretty good about off record chats, but it's more of a weighing up of getting it sorted now or waiting and seeing if they get larger or spread.
 
I've just finish a course of treatment for sarcoids, on my mare. The vet advised Liverpool cream, expensive but in her opinion, worth the money. She has four in total and the treatment was spread over a week with 5 visits in all. Although I found the whole thing very traumatic, I do think I have done the right thing and she was a little star.

Get your vet out asap to look at them. The sooner any type of treatment is started the better.

Good Luck! :)
 
What colour is she? Just wondering if she's grey as the areas you say the warts are, although not the most common spots, aren't unsusual for melanomas. I would get your vet to check them out off the record as you say. If they are melanomas they're best off left well alone in terms of invasive treatment although a drug called cimetidine has been known to be successful in some horses.
 
I would take a photo and contact Crossgates Farm. I can't recommend them enough, they helped me to treat a big sarcoid on my horse's chest for a year (it got nail-biting for a while!) and it's gone. Completely dropped off.
 
She is a grey, but at just 5 yrs old would be very unlucky to have any melanomas! And they don't look like melanomas which normally appear under the skin, these look just like they are attached by threads? I'll take a couple of pics of them later. They really are tiny so not sure if they will show up! My vet thinks I'm quite funny as with all my others I'm very laid back about them but with this one I seem to suffer with paraniod owner syndrome. Just been reading up on warts (viral papilloma) and it could be these, but seem to be in an odd place for warts as have normally just seen them on noses and sheaths?
 
RE Anngain- Cimetidine? I have another older grey who has had what I believe to be a melanoma on his neck for the past 4 years, its barely increased in size (about the size of a 1p piece), but what is this drug and how does it work? He hasn't got any any where else so if treatable I would obv. like to look in to it (although prob got lots more internally so not 100% sure of the point of this but as he's only 12 poss. worth looking in to.)
 
Cimitedine is used for treatment in melanomas. It has never been proved that it actually works... I met someone who used it as his horse had awful ones all over its head. He said that they certainly hadn't gone down, but seemed to be growing slower... But then you never know what it would have done not on the meds...

I lost my horse to melanomas last year. I discussed all the options previously with my vet and we discounted Cemitidine.

It is also HORRIFICALLY expensive!
 
Quick update- I've looked very carefully and there seem to be more than I first thought, but on closer inspection the actually appear to be warts, I have looked over her very closely and found a couple of deff. warts on her nose region (small pink pimple types that can't be anything else), so maybe she had these first, I didn't notice and she's itched at her udder area with her nose and spread it. I'm going to get the vet to make sure when he's in next week and keep a close eye on them till then, apply liveral fly spray and keep her away from the others as warts are infectious. I know they are common in young horses up to about 3 but she's nearly 5, and has just been away for a week on schooling livery, so maybe stress has lowered her immune system and this is why they have taken hold? Ahhhhh!
 
I have the same problem my youngster aged rising three has 3 pink flat warts ? I hope and also three black tiny nodules which i suspect are sarcoids of some sort on and in his sheath, he is chestnut. As hes not insured Im keeping an eye on them and also feeding him global herbs sarc ex as it seems to have a good reputation and hoping they will fall off, but its a difficult one
 
Been doing my homework and what your horse has sound very much like warts ESP due to his age. They should drop off within 9 months. I would also make sure he's on a good quality vit and mineral sup. As the immune system is low when warts appear. My mare has two pink ones on her nose and then typical black / grey pimple ones on her udder area. They are in little clusters and don't look very attached in some places. Round her teats they are there also. I'll let you know what vet says next week, as mine is hopefully going to be covered next year i've got to make sure all the bits are in working order!
 
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