Titan Trailers - experiences please. Also any trailer tips?

JessandCharlie said:
Just read replies, can you actually get gooseneck horse trailers over here?

I've been keeping an eye out waiting for them to come over, but not seen any yet, anyone got a link? :D

J&C
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No, afaik you can't.

re: perfect11's comment: "people who are spending upwards of £1000 each year to have a lorry tested and serviced are either running a heap or being ripped off!! maybe tyres once and brakes once but not a huge bill year after year sorry but there is little reason it should cost more than a big car to service...."

mine is very far from a 'heap', it's an 04 reg Solitaire Sapphire, bought new from them a few years back, not cheap put it that way! i daren't add up what it's cost me to keep it going, i'd cry. i use an Iveco-approved dealership, i used a smaller local commercial garage before and they were even worse!
 
You can forget about the Isuzu Trooper, because the good, reliable ones were the 3.1 engines, the later one's - the 3.0 engine had a serious oild starvation problem, and there was a worldwide factory recall to try and resolve the problem. I had 4 of the older models, but wimped out at the prospect of the newer 3.0 model. They no longer make them now. You will find that the latest Toyota Landcruiser is a good tow vehicle but cripplingly bad on fuel. I chose a Jeep Grand Cherokee, because you get a lot for your money and the 2.8 Mercedes engine pulls like a train, it is not the most economic vehicle, but I only have a short journey to work each day, so I am OK.
 
BigRed said:
You can forget about the Isuzu Trooper, because the good, reliable ones were the 3.1 engines, the later one's - the 3.0 engine had a serious oild starvation problem, and there was a worldwide factory recall to try and resolve the problem. I had 4 of the older models, but wimped out at the prospect of the newer 3.0 model. They no longer make them now. You will find that the latest Toyota Landcruiser is a good tow vehicle but cripplingly bad on fuel. I chose a Jeep Grand Cherokee, because you get a lot for your money and the 2.8 Mercedes engine pulls like a train, it is not the most economic vehicle, but I only have a short journey to work each day, so I am OK.
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Thankyou so much for that info about the Trooper, good to hear, just the sort of thing i'd never have known.
i've been warned off the Jeep Grand Cherokee, told they're very uncomfortable, is that incorrect? I'm quite tall and get a bit crippled by certain car seats - some are fine, others give me screaming sciatica after an hour... :( :( :(
fuel economy is low on my list of concerns here. seats being comfy is much higher!

any comments on the Ssanyong Rexton, apparently it has a Merc engine and gearbox... (hideously expense to repair IF they go wrong??)... i'll prob go for the Landcruiser but am just trying to keep my options slightly open.
Thankyou.
 
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I think it depends on the amount of miles you do and whether you tend to stay away

If it is only local stuff with not overnights, then a trailer is a no brainer.

However having towed for years I really don't like going on motorways because you are so vulnerable and even the 1ton Ifor only puts a thin ally sheet between your horse and other vehicles.

My kia Sorento did 21mpg towing and the DAF lorry does 15mpg, so you are going to gain on economy v a lorry no matter what the 4x4 (except a series III 2/4 petrol landrover (8 mpg or less!), but with your back cannot see you getting one of those!!)

I think lorry is nicer for the horses and my baggage mare appears to load better if she is going in comfort and puts up less of a fight v trailer.

I love my lorry, most of the time! However still use the trailer for local runs and going down narrow lanes!
 
We tow with a shogun, which is brill if you have a lighter trailer as it can only tow 2.8t.

I would definately NOT RECOMMEND a cheval liberte / Robinsons Requisite trailer if you went for a light weight option. We bought one brand new in 2009 and have recently received a letter saying the (wooden) floor may not be safe. Have sent it to a distributor at cheval's expense, who said the floor seems fine but as the floor is sealed with rubber on top and poly-something underneath, they can't tell for certain.

Having spent thousands two years ago on a brand new trailer (which has been used sporadically and kept pristine), I now have to decide whether to risk travelling my horse in a trailer that is probably safe but don't know for certain, or fork out around £1000 to replace the floor myself.

Rant over, sorry that's probably not very helpful, but I do feel better now!
 
Princess P said:
We tow with a shogun, which is brill if you have a lighter trailer as it can only tow 2.8t.

I would definately NOT RECOMMEND a cheval liberte / Robinsons Requisite trailer if you went for a light weight option. We bought one brand new in 2009 and have recently received a letter saying the (wooden) floor may not be safe. Have sent it to a distributor at cheval's expense, who said the floor seems fine but as the floor is sealed with rubber on top and poly-something underneath, they can't tell for certain.

Having spent thousands two years ago on a brand new trailer (which has been used sporadically and kept pristine), I now have to decide whether to risk travelling my horse in a trailer that is probably safe but don't know for certain, or fork out around £1000 to replace the floor myself.

Rant over, sorry that's probably not very helpful, but I do feel better now!
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I'd heard about the product recall, but that is absolutely shameful... if their distributor can't tell you for certain that it's safe or not, what was the point in checking it?! they should be paying for the new floor. i'd try Trading Standards.
I'm only considering a heavyweight trailer like the Titan tbh, but thanks.
 
BigRed said:
You can forget about the Isuzu Trooper, because the good, reliable ones were the 3.1 engines, the later one's - the 3.0 engine had a serious oild starvation problem, and there was a worldwide factory recall to try and resolve the problem. I had 4 of the older models, but wimped out at the prospect of the newer 3.0 model. They no longer make them now. You will find that the latest Toyota Landcruiser is a good tow vehicle but cripplingly bad on fuel. I chose a Jeep Grand Cherokee, because you get a lot for your money and the 2.8 Mercedes engine pulls like a train, it is not the most economic vehicle, but I only have a short journey to work each day, so I am OK.
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having had 3 troopers over the last ten years, a 2.8, 3.1 and now a 3.0 we have had no problems with the 3.0 trooper. Had this one for 7 years and although it now 10 years old it's still going and we've had no oil issues.

the recall was faulty fuel injectors, and fuel leaking into the oil in the engine. The recall involved changing the injectors and changing the engine oil and filters.
Although a bit long in the tooth now it still tows fine and we also use it as an every day car. The last ones being on a 55 plate so they are still around and you can still find low mileage ones, they are VERY good tow vehicles.

Isuzu now make the twin cab rodeo which is also a very good tow vehicle and nice and beefy too! :)
 
kerilli said:
Thankyou so much for that info about the Trooper, good to hear, just the sort of thing i'd never have known.
i've been warned off the Jeep Grand Cherokee, told they're very uncomfortable, is that incorrect? I'm quite tall and get a bit crippled by certain car seats - some are fine, others give me screaming sciatica after an hour... :( :( :(
fuel economy is low on my list of concerns here. seats being comfy is much higher!

any comments on the Ssanyong Rexton, apparently it has a Merc engine and gearbox... (hideously expense to repair IF they go wrong??)... i'll prob go for the Landcruiser but am just trying to keep my options slightly open.
Thankyou.
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We now have a cherokee with the merc engine. I am crippled in it after 10 minutes, and I'm only 5ft1, so you might well find it horrible.

Tows great along the road, and better on fuel than the trooper, but we couldn't get the bloody thing to move on a flat, dry field with one horse in the trailer the other day :( (It did eventually, but it took a lot of welly)

I'm told that a lot of merc parts were made in Japan, and the factory was destroyed in the earthquakes so parts are expensive and difficult to get now. Not sure if that applies to parts in the Jeep or not though :)

J&C
 
kerilli said:
i've been warned off the Jeep Grand Cherokee, told they're very uncomfortable, is that incorrect? I'm quite tall and get a bit crippled by certain car seats - some are fine, others give me screaming sciatica after an hour... :( :( :(
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I have a Jeep Grand Cherokee - 03 model - and for me it is the most comfy car ever! I'd say it would be worth trying for yourself to see how the seats suit you personally, as one man's meat is another man's poison and all that.

The old Jeeps had some issues, but the modern ones have excellent Mercedes engines and are a really tidy piece of kit. IMO a Jeep is the cheapest way to get a modern comfy car which will tow 3.5T.
 
Towed with every make of discovery so far, automatic and manual and loved every one.
Have had to replace a gear box all done for £1K; equivalent on any of the other 4x4 was £3k apparently.
Been down to Kent and across to the midlands etc all with my rice Richardson 10 year old trailer.
The trailer has cost me a total of £800 in that time including a full new wooden floor professionally fitted.
It's never let me down and never not started. Doesn't care if it's stood for months on end.
However, other than the horses what else do you use your lorry for? I know most people use them for collecting hay etc and lorries have far more space for that than trailers so you need consider that to.
The titans look great it's nice to see a viable alternative to the equitreks with good build quality.
Oh and at the Kent camp every single tow car in the car park was a Disco.
Fuel is expensive though currently costs me just into 3 figures to fill up and I get about 450 miles on that.
 
Ah, we have the new cheval liberte - aluminium floor and very sturdy but light, the gold aluline (sp).
Its great and very light - but very well made IMO :)
 
In reference to the jeeps, I'm on my second. I love them to pieces, but I won't have another.

I have never had a comfort issue with them, infact I think they are incredibly comfortable. But the parts are ridiculously expensive when something goes on them and I just can't keep spending on them.
 
Katie_A said:
I have a Jeep Grand Cherokee - 03 model - and for me it is the most comfy car ever! I'd say it would be worth trying for yourself to see how the seats suit you personally, as one man's meat is another man's poison and all that.

The old Jeeps had some issues, but the modern ones have excellent Mercedes engines and are a really tidy piece of kit. IMO a Jeep is the cheapest way to get a modern comfy car which will tow 3.5T.
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Yep I would agree they are v comfortable, both my friend and I are cripples with v bad backs and I found it really comfy and I was doing a hell of a lot of motorway driving over long distances and never ever had an issue.
 
I don't know anything about the Titan, but having used both a lorry and trailer for relative periods of time, I'll give my view.

Had a lorry all my horsey life. However after a couple of years break from horses it wasn't road worthy and I got so fed up waiting for my (mechanic) dad to get it back on the road, I bought a Disco and Ifor 505.

The Disco is amazing. Is now 20 years old, and albeit bits keep falling off it body-wise, it's done 150k miles, goes like stink, and has needed no more than a new clutch mechanically in the 5 years I've owned it. I also find it comfy and very easy to drive.

The trailer is also fantastic. fairly simple in design terms but very high build quality. The size compared to my Disco means that the car to tow ratio feels very very reasonable (I don't know the exact figures, but common sense tells you the better the car vs the trailer, the easier and safer you will be to tow). Interestingly though I took the trailer unladen to a weighbridge and the combination without horses or any kit weighs 3 tons. So you really shouldn't underestimate what the "train" will weigh with your horses and gear are loaded up - and make sure the car and brakes are up to the job!

Using the trailer for one horse is a piece of cake. Using it for two was a pain. They nipped at each other, so I'd have to put the headguard up and down between them all the time.

No living in my trailer, so the car was always a tip. Stuff got easily lost, or chucked in and then filthy boots thrown on top.

Bad weather is a nightmare with a trailer. In mine you can't tack up inside then safely unload (too much chance of saddle catching on the way out) so you'd have to do it all outside. In Scotland, this is a problem. As is fairly rubbish lighting, when doing evening clinics etc.

Personally I found it very easy to learn to tow, Dad gave me one lesson then my brother took me out to an empty university campus and made me reverse endlessly in and out of parking spaces under streetlighting, until I was pretty bl00dy competent! I don't feel scared towing at all, but you do have to keep your wits about you at higher speeds on the motorway(I feel more so than in a lorry, albeit obviously you want to pay attention all the time!), and I find it slower for most journeys than my lorry. Got to slow down going downhill to avoid snaking, and I do feel the need to protect them from bumps more in the trailer, so drive slower on country roads too.

Horses travel fine in the trailer, have done a 4 hour trip several times, but I definitely am aware of the rattling of the trailer on anything other than a smooth ribbon of road, less so with the lorry. Also potholes much worse in the trailer!

I have to say, I'm not sure I'd want to tow herringbone. If even my diddy 15.1TB stomps a bit in the trailer, you really feel the nose of the trailer come down on the tow bar. I really don't think I'd like to feel two horses stomp and kick about whilst at right angles to forward-motion of the car, particularly if there is decent camber in the road. I've no scientific evidence for that, but I don't intend to test that theory.

The one other thing that I find is that if I am driving my disco too often just as a "car", I have blonde moments when I then tow, and almost forget I have the trailer on (it tows that well!). I like the differential between "car" and "lorry". No mistaking my 3L audi with my slug of a lorry ;)

When all the above is (garrously) said and done, I am going back to my lorry and I can't wait. Stuff can live in it, I can tack up inside, somewhere to sleep (when OH snores too much?), smooth ride, I feel safer for the horses, probably no more expensive for me to run (given I already run two vehicles) and somewhere dry to sit with a cup of tea between classes!
 
kerilli said:
No, afaik you can't.

re: perfect11's comment: "people who are spending upwards of £1000 each year to have a lorry tested and serviced are either running a heap or being ripped off!! maybe tyres once and brakes once but not a huge bill year after year sorry but there is little reason it should cost more than a big car to service...."

mine is very far from a 'heap', it's an 04 reg Solitaire Sapphire, bought new from them a few years back, not cheap put it that way! i daren't add up what it's cost me to keep it going, i'd cry. i use an Iveco-approved dealership, i used a smaller local commercial garage before and they were even worse!
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sorry but I stand by my coments !!!! done 3 tests for friends and my own,2x merc ategos one needed new discs and pads £260. other one wiper blades £12, Daf lf needed new rear marker light £10 , a heap of a M reg leyland daf a set of second hand tyres £300 and a head lamp bulb ....
 
Towing vehicle wise, you'd be hard pushed to find anything better than a Discovery. I did extensive research last year into what to buy as a towing vehicle and really, the only answer was a Discovery. However, IMO/E do not get a D1 (I think the newest ones are around 'S' or 'T' reg) (either the 200tdi or 300tdi), IIRC both are spring suspension and roll about and are very, very, very prone to rust. The D2 (which I think is up to 2004) TD5, yes can have electrical problems, common fault being the "3 amigos" on the dash board (hill decent, traction control and ABS lights constantly on), for which there are several causes and ways to fix, Oh and the sun roofs can leak (look for one without a sunroof!!!) The D3 = pile of shite :D I know someone who has 2, as one is always in the shop... The D4 however, is lovely!! If I could afford one, I'd def have a D4!!

I opted for the D2 and I adore it!! Since I bought it (June 2010), I've replaced all 4 tyres, all 4 brake pads, 2 brake discs, 1 brake calliper and part of the steering arm (bit by the drop arm ball joint, but not that, forgotten what it's called lol) All of which are, IMO general wear an tear items. However, it did succumb to the 3 amigo's in Jan/Feb, due to a massive fecking pot hole full of melt water, which screwed a wheel bearing, that in turn attacked the ABS sensor, so it had to have a new wheel hub (inclusive of bearing and sensor). Sailed through his MOT in May though :D He's the comfiest 4x4 I've ever driven (I live in the east and family are in Cornwall, so I do a few miles every now and again) and he tows like a dream!

Trailer wise, I've had both the IW 505 and 510 - hated them! Too bouncy and rattly and too nickable!! Now have a Bateson Deauville and it's lovely - so quiet!! Will one day upgrade it to an Ascot. I've seen the Titan trailers and think they are fab!! If I were to tow one, I'd want an Landrover. If not a Discovery, then a Range Rover.
 
When we were looking for towing vehicles, we were in a similar position in that we were replacing our small car with a 4x4. My OH used to drive Mercedes G-wagons in the army so he was determined to get another Merc 4x4. After doing some research, we ended up with a Mercedes ML320 - it has the same towing weight (3.5T) as a Discovery but it drives like a big car and has all the comfort and design you'd expect in a Merc. I towed my small horse and a friend's cob and it towed very well, even up steep hills.

On trailer comfort for horses, I took my boy on a 4 hour journey to Exmoor and he slept the whole way...I actually had to pull over to check if he was still alive as he was so quiet!! That was in a Wessex trailer.

The other "benefit" (**ahem**) of the Merc is that it had blacked-out windows and looked like something out of a hip-hop video, so my 40yo OH could play loud music and drive around town with the window down in an attempt to be "down-with-the-kids". I don't think anyone was fooled...
 
Have done 7 hour journeys with trailer & pony comes off as good as he goes on! Did stop to offer a drink on the way!
I did tow with a disco (td5) & yes it towed well....with 1 in. Everytime I pulled 2 it broke down, & every 3 months without fail it broke down:( spend 8k on repairs in 5 yrs & it is now abandoned on my mother in laws drive needing yet another (3rd) gearbox!!! Needless to say I'm not repairing it anymore!!!!
Newer discos may be better but I will never have another again - when finances are better ill be getting a Toyota, they never break down!! At the mo I'm towing with either a very old, heavy on juice pajero or a very old Toyota Hi-ace van!!
 
Have never run a 4x4 and trailer but lots of friends have and their running costs have been much higher than mine with old Betty Bedford and the newer (M plated) MAN

Weighed it up myself when Bedford was getting on a bit andfor me it worked out far dearer in running costs overall with doing a 60mile round trip to work.

Know lots of people with 4x4's and their running costs on those alone (without using them for towing more than occasionally) are higher than my car and lorry running costs - though Bedford only cost £2k in the 15ish years I had it in MOT costs, servicing always done by local tractor engineer and no probs. MAN hasn't cost anything to MOT in the 3 years we've had it, all it has had is a new front tyre after a nail puncture and that was £115

TAX cheaper for lorry than 4x4 too
 
Of no benefit to this thread at all, but a Pick Up and huge Gooseneck Trailer drove through my village yesterday, first one I have ever seen 'in the flesh'. Bloody massive thing!

We have an 3.1 LWB Isuzu Trooper to tow with and unfortunately after many years of loyal service it is starting to die a slow and painful death :( So the hunt is on to replace it, but after trying a LR Disco yesterday I am even more upset about the Trooper dying :( It just felt horrid and upright, the Trooper feels so squat and safe, I'm not sure I'll trust anything else to tow my precious ponies!

Henry always travelled better in a trailer than a Lorry, it was hated travelling him on a lorry, he always came off dripping in sweat, eyes rolling and hyper (nothing to do with how it was driven either, different drivers and even lorries had the same affect).
 
Kerilli - I think I'm based not too far from you - I have a Mercedes ML which I use to tow one of the huge Ifor Williams Trailers - the 610 - which is about the same size as the Titan - If you want you are welcome to come over and give it a try.

I travel my mare herringbone in it - Usually only take one when I go eventing as I go on my own but have actually travelled four polo ponies in it. I have it partitioned so there is an area at the front for changing etc (Similar size to the living area in the Titan but obviously very basis!!) and still find plenty of room in the back to tack two up.

It would give you an idea of what it would be like to two something of a similar size to the Titan - By the way, I'm just signing up to become their Agent for the East Midlands so will be getting my own Titan when it comes off the production line! PM me if you want to give it a try!
 
Hi Cyclops, that's a great offer, thank you so much, I'll pm you.

perfect11s, i hear what you are saying but in that case i have been hugely ripped off every year, by different garages (moved 3 times while owning lorries) over about 20 years. If only I had my own tame mechanic... ;) ;)
 
We have a Disco 4 and Equitrek trailer - swapped from a Solitaire lorry last yr as it was lacking payload and just starting to show its age.
We regularly go to shows that are 2.5hrs away, and have been out twice this year with a 3yo that had not travelled before - on the first occasion we got stuck on the M25 and the journey took over 4hrs. He never moved and came out at the other end completely unflustered. I do think they travel well in the Equitrek altho it is a bit of a squeeze for him as it a Show Trekka M (up to 16.2) and he has had an unexpected growth spurt!
The build quality issues (catches, trim etc falling off) have mainly been an annoyance this year rather than a problem, but then we had our lorry professionally resprayed and the rust came thru again within a few months!
As for the 'trailer with living' concept itself, well it's a convenient place to change, store show clothes, make a cuppa etc but not great if there is two of you - very cramped. In fact my rather fussy OH has reverted to sleeping in the Disco. After the luxury of heated lorry living areas, it is also very cold! The storage lockers etc are great, we seem to carry so much stuff when staying away, but the two lockers on the trailer just swallow it up!
RE the towing, the Disco is superb, takes about £90 to fill which is more than enough for the show which is 2.5hrs away. Not cheap, but cheaper than the lorry! It tows well, although you do need to keep your speed down on the motorways - no more than 60 (Yes I know this is more than quick enough but tell my OH that!) as it is a tall trailer and not as stable at speed with one horse in as say, an Ifor.
All this said, we are looking at a 3.5 tonne lorry with a decent payload (ie no frills at all) and a caravan for the future. With two of us showing, all the tack etc and two horses the current set up will be a nightmare! Just have to work a bit harder to ensure finances allow :D
 
I am not sure if it's been mentioned but a friend has just bought a VW Touareg for towing her Equitrek (not sure of model name but the triple axle one!) and has been very impressed with how it tows and the fuel economy.

I very fond of Discoveries so am biased, I have an M reg one that's been briliant for towing and is coming up to 200,000 miles! *touch wood* My parents have the newed model Disco and it's very good at towing, you almost forget the trailer is there...

Can't help about the trailer though sorry!
 
Oh the other thing (or two things) I forgot to add:

Hitching up - not difficult at all but frankly it annoys me. I'm pretty good at lining up the car, but guaranteed I have to give the trailer a bit of a shove, and inevitably get muck on my breeches :rolleyes:

Also - definitely try your horses in a trailer. iirc you have mostly mares.? So many of them like room to spread their legs, which isn't always possible in a trailer. In a lorry you normally have the option of moving partitions to give them the space.

I agree with whoever said the TD5 is better than my Original Disco. Better lock for a start, which can be useful. But I'm impressed by the 200k version - I better get mine welded up as it's clearly got a good 50,000 miles in the engine yet :D

Oh and I know you said you don't do many miles in the mini, but would it bother you that your 4*4 would always smell of horse? I commute to an office job and don't think I'd like to do that in my towing vehicle, my dry cleaning bill for my suits would be horrendous!
 
Not read all the replies.

I miss my lorry :( I liked the space, that the horses were within easy reach, and felt safe in it.

Now have a Disco and Hugh the Huge Trailer.

Disco, as someone else said, is expensive to maintain(!). Find yourself a friendly mechanic :). I don't think about how often I fill up a week as it's over £100 each time and I find the thought depressing.

Given the option I would go for a lorry every time. I like being able to leave my stuff in, that I can carry x people, that D and D2 have somewhere comfy to sit/eat/get warm/dry/watch telly (they're not horsey).
 
How many miles do those of you with Disco's get to the tank? I've discovered that I get over 100miles more if I use BP or Shell, than if I use Supermarket fuel. I now only use Tesco's if I have vouchers and try to have more than one (you can use up to 3 5p off a litre vouchers in one go), as then it's def worth it. I can get 600+miles to a tank on 'proper' fuel and that does me for about a month...
 
Good to know re. the different fuel suppliers :D

Trying to work out what mine was doing... 160 miles a day, 5 days a week, so that was 800 miles a week, plus pootling around at weekends. I think I filled up twice a week, sometimes more. It was all business mileage.

Hm.

Compared to others, that doesn't sound quite right! An eight year old diesel TDi. Motorway driving pretty much all the way.
 
now_loves_mares said:
Oh the other thing (or two things) I forgot to add:

Hitching up - not difficult at all but frankly it annoys me. I'm pretty good at lining up the car, but guaranteed I have to give the trailer a bit of a shove, and inevitably get muck on my breeches :rolleyes:

Also - definitely try your horses in a trailer. iirc you have mostly mares.? So many of them like room to spread their legs, which isn't always possible in a trailer. In a lorry you normally have the option of moving partitions to give them the space.

I agree with whoever said the TD5 is better than my Original Disco. Better lock for a start, which can be useful. But I'm impressed by the 200k version - I better get mine welded up as it's clearly got a good 50,000 miles in the engine yet :D

Oh and I know you said you don't do many miles in the mini, but would it bother you that your 4*4 would always smell of horse? I commute to an office job and don't think I'd like to do that in my towing vehicle, my dry cleaning bill for my suits would be horrendous!
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Haha, hadn't thought of that, it probably wouldn't bother me but might bother my business clients on the odd occasion I have a meeting face-to-face! Right, good car seat covers would be an absolute must.

Hitching up - hmm, this is a concern, do you have a reversing camera? i think i'd have to have one, doubt i could move the trailer easily alone with my dodgy back!

I'm not worried about the room in the Titan, it would be the same arrangement and space as in my 7.5 tonner, herringbone, 2 horses in a 3-horse space, loads of room to tack up, for mares to travel wide if they want to etc.
MrsM, they have a small living, so space to hide from the rain, get changed (I am NEVER getting changed in the gap between 4x4 and trailer again, ugh, did enough of it as a kid when we had a Sinclair trailer!), somewhere for non-horsey family to make coffee, cook, read the paper, have a snooze etc. oodles of space for all my stuff too, would just have to streamline it a tad for weight perhaps, i tend to take EVERYTHING in my lorry.
have been told that Ssanyong wouldn't really tow 2-horses in 1 so am back to the Landcruiser as top of my list, I think. I do very low personal mileage so really am not worried about fuel economy or lack of it...
am going to test drive one in a couple of weeks, will report back!
 
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