To all you olympia baby haters!

doriangrey said:
Why do you have to grow up to look forward to something?
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You don't have to do anything, but I feel that anticipation is a really enjoyable experience that is being lost to the 'borrow and have it all now' culture that we currently have going on.
 
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cptrayes said:
You don't have to do anything, but I feel that anticipation is a really enjoyable experience that is being lost to the 'borrow and have it all now' culture that we currently have going on.
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I cut my first tooth on a boat trip in Germany in 1981, could you please tell me what that has to do with a 'borrow and have it all now' culture. I cannot remember it, I don't remember looking forward to anything, and I've never been in debt in my life :p
 
MotherOfChickens said:
sorry, still thinking about the shower thing.....


;) (yes!) did you see him dance on Korean TV?
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Yes. Very fun :)

Back on topic, as said elsewhere, children need to experience social situations in order to be properly socialised. Locking them away results in very bad things mentally and emotionally - look at that poor child in the henhouse :(
 
cptrayes said:
You don't have to do anything, but I feel that anticipation is a really enjoyable experience that is being lost to the 'borrow and have it all now' culture that we currently have going on.
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You can still anticipate an experience that you have had as child when you are an adult why not? Maybe even more so as it may evoke pleasant memories. Not only that but as an adult the experience maybe even further enhanced.
 
I think the reason most people take children and babies to events, that the child is unlikely to appreciate, is nothing to do with socialising children, but much more to do with people believing that they have a right to live without making any compromises, regardless of their situation. Not a good situation for the child IMO
 
cptrayes said:
Nothing.

I'm talking about the people who say they take their four year olds everywhere, restaurants, Olympia etc,

It just seems to me that some kids these days have nothing much to look forward to growing up for.
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Well I take my LO most places because I want her to experience what I didn't at a young age. She loves going to horse shows and socialising and being out and about and IMHO cause I've done from a young age she knows how to behave in public

Arizahn said:
I have a horrible feeling that the only children who really look forwards to growing up, are the ones that don't enjoy their childhood. After all, the older you get, the less freedom you really have. You certainly cannot be yourself - you are expected to bury your feelings, get drunk and go clubbing when you can't afford it just because that is normal, and one day you suddenly find yourself responsible for burying your parents.

Let them enjoy being young, it doesn't last.
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This I would love to be LO age again carefree, dancing like no ones watching and just talking nonsenses without the risk of being sectioned

doriangrey said:
You can still anticipate an experience that you have had as child when you are an adult why not? Maybe even more so as it may evoke pleasant memories. Not only that but as an adult the experience maybe even further enhanced.
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If you experience from a young age you understand it more and appreciate it more as you get older
 
Not keen on kids but not keen on anyone.Took my niece to olympia 2yrs old. Charged full price on train and at olympia.She loved it nothing their for kids and she loved it.She is nearly 4 now and still says can we go on train and see horses.she was so well behaved.Well worth the money to see her smile.A memory i will always treasure.Yes i would have taken her out if she had caused any problems before you ask.One thing ruined it though a middle aged women who would not shut up talking all the way through.All about herself. We managed to change seats before i let rip. So it is not kids it humans in general pain in neck.including me.Kids and babies are very aware and take things in.
 
Had no problem with children....but same can't be said for the 2 young 'ladies' sat behind me......sniggering and taking the p*** (or the 2 'mature' ladies I sat near last year....armchair experts, the pair of them!!!) all the way through....give me a well behaved toddler any day!!
 
doriangrey said:
You can still anticipate an experience that you have had as child when you are an adult why not? Maybe even more so as it may evoke pleasant memories. Not only that but as an adult the experience maybe even further enhanced.
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Well put, we always did a lot with our children when they were little and they are both turning in to well adjusted young people and I offer no apologies for not 'leaving something to look forward to'
 
cptrayes said:
Good grief I feel sorry for the parents of babies that cry. Not many parents of a crying 15 month old are bad parents!!!! Not just this post but loads saying the same thing.

Babies just cry, it's what babies DO at times.
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Sorry yes you are right, when i read back what I had written I realised that it sounded a bit pompous!!:redface3: I just meant that it is possible to keep a toddler entertained in places like horse shows and yes obviously babies cry.:biggrin3:
 
CaveCanem said:
I cut my first tooth on a boat trip in Germany in 1981, could you please tell me what that has to do with a 'borrow and have it all now' culture. I cannot remember it, I don't remember looking forward to anything, and I've never been in debt in my life :p
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Then my comment doesn't apply to you, does it? So I am unclear why you answered me as if it did, when it can't have done.
 
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SNORKEY said:
Took my 13 month old to olympia last night and she had a fab time. She was even standing and clapping along to the music at the end! So to all you people that made nasty comments about not wanting any baby near you etc (apart from about two)
: p huge raspbery blow!!!!!
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(Not read thread) You must admit, that was luck, rather than judgement though, wasn't it?
 
Any parent worth their salt has the most accurate judgement of anyone else in the world as to whether that particular child (theirs,after all-they should know them!) is likely to behave or not. So,I would say it very much was judgement and not luck-OP's posts clearly show this,IMO.

The real issue is not the child (& whether it behaves on the day or not-they're not robots and hey,most people on here have horses,which are sooo predictable...not. You'd think horse owners would have a little empathy!) but whether that parent is a decent enough person to consider other people around them.

OP sounds a thoughtful person,respectful of other people's opinions should her child have had enough and voiced it so as to impair other people's enjoyment. I'm a little stunned therefore by some of the bashing she's had here. Had she posted along the lines of 'And my little darling Frogmella had a good time & that's all that matters and I don't give a monkeys if anyone near us didn't like it,I paid my money too,so stuff the lot of you' (or words to that effect...you get the gist...I'm fully aware there's plenty of parents like that) then I'd understand some of the vitriol on here...sheesh!

OP,glad you both had a good time-what a lovely Christmas treat:).
 
Venevidivici said:
Any parent worth their salt has the most accurate judgement of anyone else in the world as to whether that particular child (theirs,after all-they should know them!) is likely to behave or not. So,I would say it very much was judgement and not luck-OP's posts clearly show this,IMO.

The real issue is not the child (& whether it behaves on the day or not-they're not robots and hey,most people on here have horses,which are sooo predictable...not. You'd think horse owners would have a little empathy!) but whether that parent is a decent enough person to consider other people around them.

OP sounds a thoughtful person,respectful of other people's opinions should her child have had enough and voiced it so as to impair other people's enjoyment. I'm a little stunned therefore by some of the bashing she's had here. Had she posted along the lines of 'And my little darling Frogmella had a good time & that's all that matters and I don't give a monkeys if anyone near us didn't like it,I paid my money too,so stuff the lot of you' (or words to that effect...you get the gist...I'm fully aware there's plenty of parents like that) then I'd understand some of the vitriol on here...sheesh!

OP,glad you both had a good time-what a lovely Christmas treat:).
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Very well said.

Come on guys, 'Time of goodwill and cheer?':)
 
Goodness such a wide range of views of what you should or shouldn't be doing with children!

Just for the record my son has severe learning difficulites and had the best of tantrums as a young child (he still does at 15 just without the high pitched screaming), the looks and comments we get about his behaviour beggar belief, you know the usual sort of thing about being bad parents, fancy taking him out if he behaves like that, if he was mine he'd get a slap etc. Well what are we supposed to do? keep him indoors? never expose him to everyday life in the outside world? I suppose years ago he would have been shut away in an institution never to be seen again, but hey this is the 21st century and things have moved on and attitudes changed towards those who are afflicted haven't they?

But I digress from the original point......I would loved to have gone to such places as Olypmia but wouldn't have out of respect for other people.

I know there are kids out there who are the result of bad parenting - but don't forget there are also the ones who really can't help the way they are.
 
I haven't read the whole thread but expect there is praise and semi-condemnation in equal measure. I was at the dressage on Tuesday night and came across both types of children and adults. Those that were there to watch and enjoy the performances and those hell-bent on upsetting people. I personally think Olympia is missing out on a mega moneymaking situation. As with many other places why oh why don't they offer a creche for those parents who for various reasons wish to attend the show but not or cannot leave their offspring at home. To be honest the young girl approx 5 year's old sitting in front of me showed better manners and behaviour than the two grown men who returned to their front row seats, causing everyone else in the row to have to stand DURING one of the competitors performance. UNBELIEVABLE
 
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Venevidivici said:
Any parent worth their salt has the most accurate judgement of anyone else in the world as to whether that particular child (theirs,after all-they should know them!) is likely to behave or not. So,I would say it very much was judgement and not luck-OP's posts clearly show this,IMO.

The real issue is not the child (& whether it behaves on the day or not-they're not robots and hey,most people on here have horses,which are sooo predictable...not. You'd think horse owners would have a little empathy!) but whether that parent is a decent enough person to consider other people around them.

OP sounds a thoughtful person,respectful of other people's opinions should her child have had enough and voiced it so as to impair other people's enjoyment. I'm a little stunned therefore by some of the bashing she's had here. Had she posted along the lines of 'And my little darling Frogmella had a good time & that's all that matters and I don't give a monkeys if anyone near us didn't like it,I paid my money too,so stuff the lot of you' (or words to that effect...you get the gist...I'm fully aware there's plenty of parents like that) then I'd understand some of the vitriol on here...sheesh!

OP,glad you both had a good time-what a lovely Christmas treat:).
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I have not seen any vitriol towards, or bashing of, the starter of this thread.
 
I'm afraid I haven't got time to read back thru the thread (& can't quote anyway,as on phone) but there were plenty of (and I paraphrase),'What on earth were you thinking,taking a little kid' and 'Why on earth would you even *want* to take a kid' and 'Not everyone else is happy to share events with kids' type comments....

Really,everyone's gripe is with ignorant parents not kids being kids and as I don't think the OP came across as ignorant at all,the bashing/snipey criticism (for that is what vitriol is) of her choices should have been saved for some other anti-kid thread...
Merry Christmas everyone!;)
 
cptrayes said:
Then my comment doesn't apply to you, does it? So I am unclear why you answered me as if it did, when it can't have done.
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You seemed to imply this was a newfangled trend somehow linked to a modern 'have it all right now' lifestyle, I was pointing out that my mother dearest took me to lots of different places (and countries) with her three decades ago.
 
CaveCanem said:
You seemed to imply this was a newfangled trend somehow linked to a modern 'have it all right now' lifestyle, I was pointing out that my mother dearest took me to lots of different places (and countries) with her three decades ago.
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You are one person, not a trend :)
 
Venevidivici said:
I'm afraid I haven't got time to read back thru the thread (& can't quote anyway,as on phone) but there were plenty of (and I paraphrase),'What on earth were you thinking,taking a little kid' and 'Why on earth would you even *want* to take a kid' and 'Not everyone else is happy to share events with kids' type comments....

Really,everyone's gripe is with ignorant parents not kids being kids and as I don't think the OP came across as ignorant at all,the bashing/snipey criticism (for that is what vitriol is) of her choices should have been saved for some other anti-kid thread...
Merry Christmas everyone!;)
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Well maybe this is semantics, but vitriol was originally the name for a concentrated acid which was very dangerous, and for me, vitriol is a long way past a little sniping, and I really didn't read any OP 'bashing' on this thread either. I saw answers in kind to her 'na na na naah na'post, but nothing more.
 
That is indeed semantics (and a rather narrow view of it,given that vitriol,like millions of other words,has other meanings too) because as well as another name for sulphuric acid,vitriol is also malicious criticism,which I'm very sure you're aware of.
You seem a little snipey and pedantic on this thread,which is not you? Your reply to cavecanem was somewhat terse also...get a Christmas sherry in ya Cpt!

NbC:oversized foetuses...that's a new one! Sounds delightful.;)
 
Venevidivici said:
Ps NbC: your description of kids at Olympia could equally apply to my husband at any given horsey event... ;) ;D
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Ha! Mine too! Though he completely surprised me by volunteering to co fence judge with me at a BE event in the autumn, which he actually enjoyed doing! He was happy doing the timings and filling in the sheets. He is like many young children in that he would have got bored if all he was able to do was spectate....... :).
 
I think some of the replies were fro posters who remembered the OP's original thread, some time back when she asked for opinions on taking the child, didn't like the answers and said she woud take her very young child and people would have to put up with it, or words to that effect.
 
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