Rachntabby
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i would use one i was in the exact same position as you and tried a chifney and he was like a lamb to lead once he had it on and eventually i didnt need to use it
To chiffney or not to chiffney this is the question!!
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Maesfen
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I know the chiffney can be harsh which is why I haven't already tried it
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Total piffle if used correctly!
No professional yard should be without one for louts like yours IMHO; it's amazing how quickly they remember their manners when one is used properly and that's got to be better than him always pissing off with you - or his tack IMV although, beware, they soon revert back to type if you forget it one day!
I know the chiffney can be harsh which is why I haven't already tried it
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Total piffle if used correctly!
No professional yard should be without one for louts like yours IMHO; it's amazing how quickly they remember their manners when one is used properly and that's got to be better than him always pissing off with you - or his tack IMV although, beware, they soon revert back to type if you forget it one day!
Jo_x
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i find stallion rings are much more effective and they are a lot harder to misuse as well!
scotsmare
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My 3 yr old regularly thinks she's actually a kite when going out to the field (particularly when it's windy!). I've currently got a stallion chain over her nose and a longer than average lead rope attached. I also have the electric fencing set back from the gate to form a pen so that when she buggers off going through the gate there is no where for her to go. She is getting better thankfully and there are days she doesn't need it.
I think if you've run out of other options then the chifney would be worth a try. As others have already said YOU need to be safe when you're leading him.
I think if you've run out of other options then the chifney would be worth a try. As others have already said YOU need to be safe when you're leading him.
nikkiportia
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Everyone has different ideas when it comes to handling difficult horses.
For your safety, and for others please use a chiffney!
The majority of horses respect it and are easy to lead in them, AND you already have one! Stick it on and see what happens.
Chiffneys are constantly used in the TB industry, as a matter of safety and control. I am yet to see a horse injured with one, and I've seen ALOT being used.
Although I'm sure someone will come up with a horror story or two......but then aren't there horror stories with everything????
I've seen dually headcollars misused more often than a chiffney!
For your safety, and for others please use a chiffney!
The majority of horses respect it and are easy to lead in them, AND you already have one! Stick it on and see what happens.
Chiffneys are constantly used in the TB industry, as a matter of safety and control. I am yet to see a horse injured with one, and I've seen ALOT being used.
Although I'm sure someone will come up with a horror story or two......but then aren't there horror stories with everything????
I've seen dually headcollars misused more often than a chiffney!
Loubiepoo
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Can someone explain 'mr blue pipe/mr green pipe' sorry for being dumb but not heard that one before!?
Shilasdair
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Can someone explain 'mr blue pipe/mr green pipe' sorry for being dumb but not heard that one before!?
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They are just referring to a length of, you guessed, blue or green piping...typically about a couple of inches in diameter, lightweight, and with no sharp parts to injure horse.
When the horse is naughty, you can smack them with the blue pipe without injuring them...so they get the message.
It is kinder, in many ways, than using whips (which can cut skin) or any other thing - and often it is not safe to smack them with your flat hand as you would endanger yourself.
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Can someone explain 'mr blue pipe/mr green pipe' sorry for being dumb but not heard that one before!?
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They are just referring to a length of, you guessed, blue or green piping...typically about a couple of inches in diameter, lightweight, and with no sharp parts to injure horse.
When the horse is naughty, you can smack them with the blue pipe without injuring them...so they get the message.
It is kinder, in many ways, than using whips (which can cut skin) or any other thing - and often it is not safe to smack them with your flat hand as you would endanger yourself.
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loopylucifer
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i will try not to upset people but chiffneys are offten over used and incorrectly used(the rope should NEVER be cliped on always threaded though) it is very easy to break a horses jaw with one as they have a wire chesse cutter effect when downwards pressure is excerted it can also cause brusing and damage the under lying bone.
yes they have a time and place but teaching your horse to lead correctly using a pressure type halter is much more effective in the long run and much less likley to cause permenent damage.
yes they have a time and place but teaching your horse to lead correctly using a pressure type halter is much more effective in the long run and much less likley to cause permenent damage.
piaffe
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Whats the blue pipe thing???
I have used chiffenys a lot in the past esp with the stallions the only prob i have come accross is when you use them to turn out. Undoing the sliphead and getting it off without the horse running off with it still in its mouth.
I have used chiffenys a lot in the past esp with the stallions the only prob i have come accross is when you use them to turn out. Undoing the sliphead and getting it off without the horse running off with it still in its mouth.
JM07
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i will try not to upset people but chiffneys are offten over used and incorrectly used(the rope should NEVER be cliped on always threaded though) it is very easy to break a horses jaw with one as they have a wire chesse cutter effect when downwards pressure is excerted it can also cause brusing and damage the under lying bone.
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what piffle...
have you ANY idea what force, PSI, would need to be excerted to break a horses jaw??
certainly not a 10 stone woman dangling on the end of it...
this arguement is always trawled out in threads like these..
i will try not to upset people but chiffneys are offten over used and incorrectly used(the rope should NEVER be cliped on always threaded though) it is very easy to break a horses jaw with one as they have a wire chesse cutter effect when downwards pressure is excerted it can also cause brusing and damage the under lying bone.
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what piffle...
have you ANY idea what force, PSI, would need to be excerted to break a horses jaw??
certainly not a 10 stone woman dangling on the end of it...
this arguement is always trawled out in threads like these..
SirenaXVI
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stick a chiffney on him, a lunge line and carry Mr Blue Pipe.....
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I love Mr Blue Pipe
stick a chiffney on him, a lunge line and carry Mr Blue Pipe.....
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I love Mr Blue Pipe
piaffe
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stick a chiffney on him, a lunge line and carry Mr Blue Pipe.....
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I love Mr Blue Pipe
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WHat IS Mr Blue Pipe? I feel like Im mssing out!
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stick a chiffney on him, a lunge line and carry Mr Blue Pipe.....
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I love Mr Blue Pipe
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WHat IS Mr Blue Pipe? I feel like Im mssing out!
Shilasdair
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Whats the blue pipe thing???
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Whats the blue pipe thing???
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If you didn't have me on UI, you'd know.
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SirenaXVI
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there is a horse on my yard that you need a chiffney to bring in - and his tounge is all scarred/marked from the dip in the chiffney.
a control headcollar or a bridle?
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Obviously a chiffney in the wrong hands will do damage, as will a control headcollar. Another alternative is the spanish seretta, it has a leather covered metal noseband and works a treat with unruly colts. I usually only ever have to use it once to let them know it is there, they behave like lambs after that. Again though, you need to know how to use it to avoid damaging the horse.
there is a horse on my yard that you need a chiffney to bring in - and his tounge is all scarred/marked from the dip in the chiffney.
a control headcollar or a bridle?
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Obviously a chiffney in the wrong hands will do damage, as will a control headcollar. Another alternative is the spanish seretta, it has a leather covered metal noseband and works a treat with unruly colts. I usually only ever have to use it once to let them know it is there, they behave like lambs after that. Again though, you need to know how to use it to avoid damaging the horse.
JM07
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stick a chiffney on him, a lunge line and carry Mr Blue Pipe.....
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I love Mr Blue Pipe
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WHat IS Mr Blue Pipe? I feel like Im mssing out!
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blue piping...used mainly in the Dairy industry.....
i have 2 lengths......makes a lot of noise...but is very affective!
better than carrying a whip, too.
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stick a chiffney on him, a lunge line and carry Mr Blue Pipe.....
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I love Mr Blue Pipe
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WHat IS Mr Blue Pipe? I feel like Im mssing out!
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blue piping...used mainly in the Dairy industry.....
i have 2 lengths......makes a lot of noise...but is very affective!
better than carrying a whip, too.
piaffe
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Whats the blue pipe thing???
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If you didn't have me on UI, you'd know.
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I dont have you on UI.
Shilasdair
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Well, if you read my lengthy explanation above (very dull it is too), you'd know.
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Well, if you read my lengthy explanation above (very dull it is too), you'd know.
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piaffe
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Well, if you read my lengthy explanation above (very dull it is too), you'd know.
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Well, if you read my lengthy explanation above (very dull it is too), you'd know.
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Oops sorry. I didn't see it. Will go and read now!
BlackDiamond
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WhenI bought my new horse they loaded him with a chiffney, and I have since thought to buy one myself and get some pointers on how to use it. Id rather see a horse behave when asked rather than damage itself, and others.
Ezme
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Our lumpys of horses are turned out in bridles at the moment as 3 of them are young (3,4,7 with first 2 barely handled untill year ago and 7 yrold just a tw*t but probs mistreated at some point, was bred for meat) and being on a national trust propperty in august there are alot of scary things about. Normally they have a simple single jointed snaffle (quite sevear bit horses with big fleshy tounges that are normally in straight liverpools/buxtons) with a lead rope through one bit ring cliped onto the other and it does NOT rend it useless. With a bargy horse it acts like a curb chain putting pressure inside and outside the jaw, its incredibly usuful. I always have a loop in the rope and frankly they can jog and look at things as much as they like as long as the don't pull on me or jump on me. they settle just fine once tehy realise jumping about is no fun. Can't stand people who hold onto their horse under the headcoller and wonder why their horse is always walking into them!
Silverspring
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Another alternative is the spanish seretta, it has a leather covered metal noseband and works a treat with unruly colts.
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These do work a treat but if you get a head butty horse they can break your nose with them quite easily, then again head butty horse are pretty good at breaking noses
I don't think the pressure halters are as effective on the heavier horses, in the same way a hackamore can stop a TB in second but a draught would wonder what was tickling it nose!
I don't agree with the use of a chifney but if its between that and your safety then safety comes first. I hope you wear a hat while handling this horse, it doesn't take much for them to knock you to the ground (been there and wished I had a hat one!)
You should give him the opportunity to realise what the chiffney/chain of nose/pressure halter is all about before putting it into use. It does frustrate me when people struggle to control a horse but never spend even 5 minutes in the school actually explain what you need them to do.
You wouldn't just slap a bridle on a young horse and expect a contact, you need to take time to explain when I do this you turn, when I do this you stop. It should also avoid the chiffney ever having to come in to full action and risk injuring the horse.
Another alternative is the spanish seretta, it has a leather covered metal noseband and works a treat with unruly colts.
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These do work a treat but if you get a head butty horse they can break your nose with them quite easily, then again head butty horse are pretty good at breaking noses
I don't think the pressure halters are as effective on the heavier horses, in the same way a hackamore can stop a TB in second but a draught would wonder what was tickling it nose!
I don't agree with the use of a chifney but if its between that and your safety then safety comes first. I hope you wear a hat while handling this horse, it doesn't take much for them to knock you to the ground (been there and wished I had a hat one!)
You should give him the opportunity to realise what the chiffney/chain of nose/pressure halter is all about before putting it into use. It does frustrate me when people struggle to control a horse but never spend even 5 minutes in the school actually explain what you need them to do.
You wouldn't just slap a bridle on a young horse and expect a contact, you need to take time to explain when I do this you turn, when I do this you stop. It should also avoid the chiffney ever having to come in to full action and risk injuring the horse.
Dottie
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I use a chifney on my mare now. She has a horrible habit of rearing up and getting away from me when turning out. She tried going up with a chifney in....and quickly came back down again!
only_me
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The chiffney IS used correctly - said horse isnt the brightest and is quite simple
he dosent pull you, he just tries to bolt/kick/rear/leap on you etc. plus it is not my horse
but when i have to bring him in i am glad of chiffney - 17.2hh ID cross is no fun when it is trying to "play" with you!
and i think the studded noseband is verging on abuse*
sorry, just my opinion
*not to offend anyone! imo only.
and i think the studded noseband is verging on abuse*
*not to offend anyone! imo only.
GinaB
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She never said they were studded, but leather covered
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SirenaXVI
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The chiffney IS used correctly - said horse isnt the brightest and is quite simple
he dosent pull you, he just tries to bolt/kick/rear/leap on you etc. plus it is not my horse
but when i have to bring him in i am glad of chiffney - 17.2hh ID cross is no fun when it is trying to "play" with you!
and i think the studded noseband is verging on abuse*
sorry, just my opinion
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No offence taken, but then I know how to use a seretta correctly.
The chifney may be being used correctly now, but obviously has not in the past if the horse has scars on his tongue, this indicates that at sometime his tongue has been cut by it. Like I said, used correctly it is a marvellous piece of kit, as is the seretta, anything used incorrectly is a form of abuse.
The chiffney IS used correctly - said horse isnt the brightest and is quite simple
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No offence taken, but then I know how to use a seretta correctly.
The chifney may be being used correctly now, but obviously has not in the past if the horse has scars on his tongue, this indicates that at sometime his tongue has been cut by it. Like I said, used correctly it is a marvellous piece of kit, as is the seretta, anything used incorrectly is a form of abuse.
SirenaXVI
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These do work a treat but if you get a head butty horse they can break your nose with them quite easily, then again head butty horse are pretty good at breaking noses
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Yup agree with this! You can however use then to stop them headbutting you too, something that came in very handy with our 3yo when he was an up his own a'se colt
These do work a treat but if you get a head butty horse they can break your nose with them quite easily, then again head butty horse are pretty good at breaking noses
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Yup agree with this! You can however use then to stop them headbutting you too, something that came in very handy with our 3yo when he was an up his own a'se colt
htobago
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Not wanting to be controversial here *puts on tin hat* but I understand that bargy unruly horses/leading difficulties are among the problems that some NH/IH trainers can be very good at helping to sort out...
I don't agree with them on everything, but I've heard endless accounts of how, for example, Kelly Marks's 'Recommended Associates' have helped owners to sort out this kind of problem with their horses.
Just a thought!
(I have no objection to chiffneys - my stally always wears one for stud duties, and in the right hands they do no harm. But as others have said, they can be awkward to remove once you get to the field, if the horse is trying to tank off.)
I don't agree with them on everything, but I've heard endless accounts of how, for example, Kelly Marks's 'Recommended Associates' have helped owners to sort out this kind of problem with their horses.
Just a thought!
(I have no objection to chiffneys - my stally always wears one for stud duties, and in the right hands they do no harm. But as others have said, they can be awkward to remove once you get to the field, if the horse is trying to tank off.)
the watcher
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I wouldn't use a chiffney until I had explored other methods, ground work with some NH handling techniques for a start, and then extending these until he gets the idea that pulling away isn't necessary, maybe even a slip halter to reinforce the message.
JM07
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in the same way a hackamore can stop a TB in second but a draught would wonder what was tickling it nose.
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in the same way a hackamore can stop a TB in second but a draught would wonder what was tickling it nose.
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that is way up there with some of the funniest things written on here.....
Shilasdair
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Not wanting to be controversial here *puts on tin hat* but I understand that bargy unruly horses/leading difficulties are among the problems that some NH/IH trainers can be very good at helping to sort out...
I don't agree with them on everything, but I've heard endless accounts of how, for example, Kelly Marks's 'Recommended Associates' have helped owners to sort out this kind of problem with their horses.
Just a thought!
(I have no objection to chiffneys - my stally always wears one for stud duties, and in the right hands they do no harm. But as others have said, they can be awkward to remove once you get to the field, if the horse is trying to tank off.)
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Could an RA not help train your stallion to cover politely with a normal bit, not a Chifney?
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Not wanting to be controversial here *puts on tin hat* but I understand that bargy unruly horses/leading difficulties are among the problems that some NH/IH trainers can be very good at helping to sort out...
I don't agree with them on everything, but I've heard endless accounts of how, for example, Kelly Marks's 'Recommended Associates' have helped owners to sort out this kind of problem with their horses.
Just a thought!
(I have no objection to chiffneys - my stally always wears one for stud duties, and in the right hands they do no harm. But as others have said, they can be awkward to remove once you get to the field, if the horse is trying to tank off.)
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Could an RA not help train your stallion to cover politely with a normal bit, not a Chifney?
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