To everyone who bitched about how evil the RSPCA is

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IN YOUR FACE!




Ok, childish, but I feel sooo much better
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Thanks for saying what i was thinking lol the RSPCA get alot of bad press but they do do some very good work

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Damn right. The RSPCA suffer from the same problem as any other large organisation - when they do something good it's seen as some kind of Machiavellian PR stunt, and when they make a mistake or even just an unpopular decision they get leapt all over.
 
scribbles what you maybe forget or dont realise is that many people have formed opinions on the RSPCA after multiple dealings with them over many years, not just this case. That is why there is a degree of annoyance with them.

No charity is going to come out and openly moan about another if they are attempting to work towards the same thing, it is much easier if they all get on.
 
Never once have i called them evil i do however think my local one is the biggest waste of time going.They are never open for a kick off,so when you do try call to get help nobody is there.

I do however still give money every month the same as i do with other charities.
Justbecause i find them more useless than other charities does not mean i will stop trying to help.
 
Unless I read the original posts related to this incorrectly, the RSPCA already knew about these horses and had done nothing at all...am I right? So if I am correct, my issue with them would be "why did it take someone going to the national press, the BHS, and the Police getting involved before you did something about it?"
 
Almost CC - they did attend last month, the vet they called out said the horses were not suffering!!! The RSPCA did not seek second opinion and they and WHW have been "monitoring" the horses for the last month. They apparently have been receiving calls about these horses for some time but did not attend until August.

Apparently, my dictionary contains a different definition of "monitoring" to that of the RSPCA!

Having said this - they did at least do something about the horses at that Welsh Stud.
 
What chestnut cob said!!! they prob couldn't find the way way out of there multi million pound brand new headquarters!!!!!!
 
WHW was aware aswell, not just the RSPCA:

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World Horse Welfare has said this morning that it attended the ponies in late August, following a tip-off from a member of the public.


The charity attended with a vet, who stated the ponies were not suffering.


A spokesman for World Horse Welfare said "our hands are tied".


"We visited the two ponies in question and we are concerned about the condition they are in.


"In conjunction with the RSPCA, we arranged for a vet to examine them and the vet has stated that they are not suffering.

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At least my childishness is in merriment and makes me feel better, I'm not out to prevent a charity from helping animals (as people were saying should happen with preventing other people from making donations, accusing inspectors of being evil and uncaring etc).

It just seems the popular thing to do is call the RSPCA evil, go on about how much you hate them, but then sing WHW praise. Life is NOT black and white, inspectors work long hard dangerous hours in a difficult job.
 
I will reserve judgement until vets have established there is nothing *wrong* with the horses (ie they don't have ragwort poisoning or anything like that) that could have caused them to go downhill rapidly in the space of the month...

Because if there is no underlying cause, then it would have taken them a long time to get like that so I can't believe the RSPCA attended last month and said they weren't suffering. The vet in question who stated that needs their head looking at I think!
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I ask again, why did it take someone going to the national press for the RSPCA to actually do anything? IMHO the RSPCA could do with spending less time watching trail hunts chase a runner around the countryside on the off chance they spot a fox, and more time attending actual cases of animal cruelty and neglect.

But that's just my opinion...
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With the greatest repsect Scribbles I only actually stated a few facts here about this particular case - I have never actually called the RSPCA evil. My feeling is that, whilst they do a huge amount of good work, a lot of the funding they recieve is - shall I say "misdirected" and their efforts are not put to the best use.

They generate feeling at both ends of the spectrum - the Welsh horses case reported yesterday demostrates what they can achieve; the Stamford case illlustrates how shamefully inadequate their methods can be.

I would never,ever suggest that anyone stop donating to them - ever! I stopped giving to them a while ago but the money that I would have given to them now goes to other animal charities in whom I have considerably more faith.
 
Sorry scribbles but this is one of the most immature posts ive seen in a long time,

Th RSPCA.. and I still stand by my comments.. are HYPOCRITS always have been always will be.

An organisation who can sack there best vet because of his refusal to sign a statement saying he is agaisnt hunting.. is political.. and does not have the interests of their patients at heart.

They employ people as wardens with little or no experience.

They come out to people who are looking after there animals, properly.. be that the laminitic, the ex racer, the animal with severe arthritis, they make them feel thick.. they try as they might to belittle people. Yet they leave these two animals in questions.. in an obvioulsy appauling condition.. until everyone gets on there backs and they are forced to proced with a seige.

Sorry.. My oppion on the RSPCA will never change!
weather its 'IN MY FACE' or not.
Lou x
 
I agree any organisation that promotes horse welfare and step in to help animals in need should be supported....but also when people donate hard earned monies to these organisations they should be able to expect them to step in when required and not need external pressures to do what they should have done in the first place...

People do not follow a trend on horse welfare I think you will find there have been so many cases were HHO's have had dealings with the RSPCA which has made them call into question there ability to deal with situations.... for example... a tethered horse in dire neeed of help the RSPCA would not step in to help the horse after repeated calls from the public... the horse was then seen DEAD in the field and the response was it is dead what can we do about it?????
 
Agree.
My opinions on the RSPCA are formed by my own experiences when dealing with them, as posted yesterday.
I am not slating some of the individuals who work for them, but as an organisation their approach is shocking! You only have to ring the Chobham branch and listen to the answerphone message to see they have no intention in talking to you!!
 
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Unless I read the original posts related to this incorrectly, the RSPCA already knew about these horses and had done nothing at all...am I right? So if I am correct, my issue with them would be "why did it take someone going to the national press, the BHS, and the Police getting involved before you did something about it?"

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Never bitched about them, however in cases like the above and ones I'm aware of in our area, unfortunately I don't have much confidence in them, but I don't actually think its the people themselves that work for the charity, I'm sure they all do a great job, its just that their hands are tied by too many legal reasons that prevent them from doing what in fact the whole charity is about and what people expect of them.

The system fails them and its only when there is a huge outcry that things get moved along, it shouldnt take that becuase in the meantime animals are suffering.
 
I am sorry I have to agree with the general consensus that they really do not do an awful lot and, if and when they do it's generally after real pressure has been put on by others (for example the people on here yesterday!).

I have had the odd dealings with them over the years and have seen the upset they has caused people I know who DO care for their animals. One lady had a 'warning' to do with her old horse who yes was a little thin but he was seen fed at least twice a day. Had water, good grass was regularly seen by a vet and was nowhere near the state of those two sorry animals we saw opics of yet they badgered her and caused her a great deal of upset and worry.

Ok, fine they have to follow up well meaning members of the publics' concern but they do seem to lack knowledge certainly when it comes to large animals and especially horses. I have no doubt the job is hard and can be distressing and that there are bound to be individuals who are experienced and do do all they can BUT I am always disappointed when I have called our one (Leeds) at the attitude of "Oh, we don't do that (dogs in this case)". that was in particular relation to a dog that was dumped, with an injured leg, at our field. After trying to trace an owner we eventually 'rehomed' it locally ourselves.

They are hypocrits really - they falsely come over on these fly-on-the-wall programmes as being there for anything. One time they actually went out to a house where someone had found an injured mouse!!! Now we KNOW that wouldn't really happen!
 
Oh and I don't think they're 'evil' I just don't think they always the best they possibly could in situations and don't handle things very well.
 
Several years ago, they (can you believe it??) came out to collect an injured wild bunny rabbit. My (bunny hugging) friend had rung them..........!!!!????
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as the official fence-sitter... i think they suffer from what any big organisation with power does... they can't do right for doing wrong...

i've never had any personal dealings with them... so can't really comment personally. however, i'm married to a policeman, who covers the newmarket villages (lots of horses) and he said he rarely calls them, or advises others to call them. apparently the police round here think ILPH (forgetten their new name) are more effective.

p.s. regarding the 'they came out for an injured wild rabbit' post above... if they hadn't, people would slate them for that!
 
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Sorry scribbles but this is one of the most immature posts ive seen in a long time,

Th RSPCA.. and I still stand by my comments.. are HYPOCRITS always have been always will be.

An organisation who can sack there best vet because of his refusal to sign a statement saying he is agaisnt hunting.. is political.. and does not have the interests of their patients at heart.

They employ people as wardens with little or no experience.

They come out to people who are looking after there animals, properly.. be that the laminitic, the ex racer, the animal with severe arthritis, they make them feel thick.. they try as they might to belittle people. Yet they leave these two animals in questions.. in an obvioulsy appauling condition.. until everyone gets on there backs and they are forced to proced with a seige.

Sorry.. My oppion on the RSPCA will never change!
weather its 'IN MY FACE' or not.
Lou x

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Totally agree with you on this they very rarely bother to follow up on reports of cruelty or very poor horses in fields.
We have tried to get them to investigate cruelty on two occasions , albeit 5 or 6 years ago now, and they were totally not interested. In the end we made our own enquiries and got it sorted for the poor animals.
 
Another one who agrees whole heartedly with Nailed.
I have had many dealings with the RSPCA, and none of them have been a positive experiance.
The horse I reported to them that was in a rug in 28 degrees of heat was never seen by them DESPITE detailed instructions on where they were and to call me if needed.
I have had "visits" on a number of occasions by inspectors not trained OR equiped to deal with exotics, yet they have issued 7 day wonders to "improve" which have been the exact opposite of what my animals needed to survive comfortably and thrive.
The inspectors themselves are not to blame, they can only follow the guidelines set out to them by head ofice.
Its the "management" who need to stop and take stock of what they are doing.
Whilst the RSPCA is run by people who have no idea of what animal welfare actually is, there is little to no hope that we can expect it to improve any time soon
 
In my opinion, WHW and the RSCPA failed to take action in this case. These animals were clearly suffering and for a vet to say they werne't is outragous. Any human with an ounce of comon sense would of gotten a 2nd opinion.
It should NOT take a public stand off and people going to RSCPA trade stands at big events to force the RSPCA into action.
A big well done to the BHS however who in less than 24hrs secured the safety of these horses. With eventual help from the RSPCA..
 
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