My horses are a hobby and the reason I live where I do. If you keep them for a living, then I am sure you have a different attitude and relationship with them. Having said that friends who farm and had a riding school had a number of horses that did not get sold on and stayed with them until retirement, when they were responsibly pts and a small amount of money made on them.
You would probably consider my mare to be one of 2 a penny variety, so this probably confirms your rather jaundiced view of 'hobby' horse keepers, but no I would not sell her, any more than I would my dogs or cats.
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I think when you 'deal' in horses for your business it is hard to comprehend why someone wouldnt take a substantial increase on their horse. If someone happens to find their perfect horse, it is their hobby, dream and future, why would you want a few extra quid (especially if you didnt need it) to have that all taken away from you, with no guarantee of finding another, and not alone the stress of missing your best friend. I have bought and sold a few, but if i had something i really wanted then it would have to be a life changing amount TBH.
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it always amazes me when someone posts on here that they have been offered XYZ for their horse and ask "Would you sell?"...that the people who answer "no, never" are the one's who generally own what i'd call a "run of the mill, 2 a penny" animal!!!...and would be mad to turn down such an offer, because it's very unlikely it'd be offered again...
so come on...WHAT IS YOUR PRICE???
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Not everything has a price!!
Do you understand the word priceless. Not even for £40K it took nearly three years to find this boy. When I find the right horse it is for life. As was the last one.
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if somene came and offered me 7.5k for my coloured and 4.5k for my newfie, after checking to see if it was a genuine offer and also checking their eyesight, i'd snatch their hands off..assuming i could get myself off the floor after fainting...
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The thing is what you call run of the mill alot of peeps would not. If everyone wouldn't sell at any price. YOU would be out of business unless you breed them yourself.
Why do you have to be so aggressive in all or most of your posts if someone doesn't agree with you.
So like your siggi says I am telling you instead of whinging to Admin. I think you just like causing arguments. A debate I can understand but you do come over as a very angry and aggressive person.
Every time I dismount from my horse I am smiling and happy, no matter how bad a day I've had. If it was a life changing amount - i.e about £50,000 then I would sell him as I'm not wealthy enough to say no to that kind of money - after all I could buy a whole house for that which secures my kittens future (who are more important than my horse). However, that sort of money is more than double what he's worth and beingf offered it is on a par with winning the lottery and isn't going to happen. So in reality, no I wouldn't sell him as his market value doesn't reflect his actual worth to me.
Humm, I agree everything has a price, but unless you do it for a living I don't think it's worth the effort and heart ache a lot of the time, especially if you don't need the money.
I would only be happy to sell my horse if the offer was enough for me to buy a youngster with equal talent and temperament + a good bit of profit, otherwise I don't see the point. It's just extra hassle which would probably end in me having a horse I didn't like as much, plus all the worry if he was at a good home etc. etc.
Strange this topic should come up today, I have just waved Goodbye to a horse I hadn't intended selling yet, wasn't even on the market, I have only had him a week myself! Someone saw him belting about the field as they were driving past, did a u-turn and asked about him for a cutting horse. They are known to me, so that wasn't an issue, they offered me a price I really couldn't refuse.
I have only ever had one horse that I would never have sold, everything I have now would be for sale at the right price.
I have always said I would not sell Mo & TBH I dont think I would because I would not get life changing money for her. If anyone offered a decent price of the boys, they woud be sold no problem. I have heard of people turning down good money for their horse, only for it go be injured a few months later. Didnt CH's great dressage horse Escapado suffer problems after he was sold?
You would probably consider my mare to be one of 2 a penny variety, so this probably confirms your rather jaundiced view of 'hobby' horse keepers, but no I would not sell her, any more than I would my dogs or cats.
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why/how can i be jaundiced when i have 4 at home that have NEVER been on the open market... that would be classed as MY hobby horses as i regularly show them..hence my "ask" on this post..HOW MUCH to sway a deal...i'm not saying i would sell them, just asking people on here what their thoughts would be...
and yet again, i'm called rude and aggressive.
and of course, because i buy and sel a few ponies every year, i can't have ANY feelings as strong as the others on here as i'm a cold-hearted "dealer"....
I actually don't understand the OP's post. For a large number of us our horses are our passionate hobbies. We spend ages finding the right one, then ages building a relationship, learning what makes it tick, how to communicate with it, bringing it on and improving it (hopefully!). The price isn't "market value", it's "what's the value of my time and effort and feelings in currently having the 'right' horse to have to try to find another?".
I think that a lot of us are in this for the long haul. We're not after a quick buck or immediate success. A silly money offer would be refused for sentimental reasons or myriad other reasons, but it has nothing to do with the market value of the horse/pony.
I for one have spent lots of time, money and effort to get where I am with Ronnie, and trainers are now appreciating that he's something a bit *special*. Maybe he'd be worth more money to a competitive home, but he's what I wanted - a good RC all-rounder who is a real pleasure to ride (ok, a few baby issues but I think they're going to be transitory). That's not to say that I wouldn't consider a decent offer for him - particularly if it was a very good home and a rider I really respect. But he doesn't have a price. He's with me for life, god willing.
You can't put a price on happiness (cliche but true).
We could have sold Chloe to a private home for double what we paid for her, even as a 15 year old ugly, ploddy horse.
However we chose to find her a permanent, professional home for the rest of her life, rather than risk her being passed on down the line.
I'd sell Megan for at least 10k now, because I really don't want to sell her. It's well above her market value, seeing as though she's also what can be considered a run-of-the mill horse!
In my case, it's more that I'm a run of the mill (actually I'm not even that average) rider and can't just "get on anything". Patches has given me so much enjoyment that I can't imagine not riding her or having a say in her future at present. Now, if someone offered me £10k for her (which less face it they won't) then I'd be foolish not to sell, but my confidence in finding something equally as right for me to ride would be put me off.
If I was a more competent rider I am pretty sure I'd sell and bring something else on. So to me, maybe it's us more "average" every day riders who would hang on to something when others would think them foolish not to sell?
Couldn't sell Oliver as he's not mine. Doubt I'd be able to afford to buy him "ready made". I may have spent alot on schooling but it certainly has added to his value both financially and in terms of the enjoyment that Hannah gets out of him.
Tweenie I'm stuck with, bless her heart. She's been a cracking little pony and doesn't cost a lot to keep. She is very run of the mill with dubious conformation I'm sure. She's had a hard life in a riding school, before we got her, and I think she enjoys the quieter life. Isobel's only five, so she rides her. Can't imagine selling her on when Isobel's outgrown her as she'd have been with us for nearly 10 years by then. Maybe I'll have grandchildren by then who can ride her! Eeeek!
Dinker......now if someone were to offer me £10 for him, he'd be off like a shot! Actually, I'd pay someone to take him.
My old YO was offered £35k for her stallion. When she refused, the man said 'name your price'. Again she refused. Madness, sentimentality or just knowing what you want? IE you want that horse rather than money.
I wouldn't sell Dibbs. No-one would offer over £5k for him anyway, and he is the 'perfect horse' for me in the sense that he is a confidence builder and has a bit of extra 'go'. Plus a sparkling gentleman personality and he's 100% in every way.
I'm not into horses for the money, definately not. Maybe if someone offered £35k my opinion would sway slightly
I was offered a few K more than what I paid around three months after I bought him and I held out thinking his price would rise further. Been nothing but vets bills since then.
Well i just replied in the other post saying last Summer we were offered more than 10 times what we paid for Blue the offer was £10,000
But we said 'no thanks'... obviously a lot of people may think thats mad but Blue is special to me i think we have a good partnership and i've put a lot of hard work into him and since last Summer he has been better than ever!
Well my.......
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"run of the mill, 2 a penny" animal!!!...
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.......wouldn't be for sale at any price - if that makes me stupid, then fine!! (I think it makes me stupid, as she's an old witchy baggage, but hey my heart would rule my head every time
If someone offered me 15k for Atty now i'd take it. Because I could pay off my debts and buy a replacement with that amount. But no one is going to do that.
However give it another 12-24months and I think he will be worth about that and if I get an offer of that amount or higher then I will say no. Because of the money , blood sweat and tears I will have put in getting him right , that's something you can't go out and buy in my experience and once you've got it it's worth a fortune.
and of course, because i buy and sel a few ponies every year, i can't have ANY feelings as strong as the others on here as i'm a cold-hearted "dealer"....
just can't talk to some...
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Clearly your post has been taken out of context here JM by some.
You are certainly not a "cold hearted dealer". I can vouch for that as you are as emotional as me when you receive the many updates of how Hannah is getting on with Oliver (who we bought from JM for those who don't know).
Oliver came to us a clearly much cared for pony who had been with you for a considerable length of time, especially for a "dealer". Certainly not anyone's idea of a "cold hearted" dealer by any stretch of the imagination. Actually, I'm not even sure you could be classed as a dealer as I don't see where your profit lies with all the Bowen treatments you pamper your charges with.
I wouldn't hesitate to buy from you again and I also know that it would take a jaw dropping offer for you to even remotely consider selling George and Boggers.
I seriously do not think anybody else would want Solo- although I think he is wonderful, he seems to have multiple personalties!
He wouldn't be for sale, even if someone offers me £10,000- which is 5 times what I bought him for. I don't think that I'm the only one that can look after him, it's the fact that he is so bloody soft, and he's very much a one person horse.
Red wouldn't be sold either- at 18, it's not fair for him to be passed around, and at 15hh, I'd be scared that he'd end up as a kids pony- which he certaintly isn't.
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it always amazes me when someone posts on here that they have been offered XYZ for their horse and ask "Would you sell?"...that the people who answer "no, never" are the one's who generally own what i'd call a "run of the mill, 2 a penny" animal!!!...and would be mad to turn down such an offer, because it's very unlikely it'd be offered again...
so come on...WHAT IS YOUR PRICE???
if somene came and offered me 7.5k for my coloured and 4.5k for my newfie, after checking to see if it was a genuine offer and also checking their eyesight, i'd snatch their hands off..assuming i could get myself off the floor after fainting...
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I'll never sell my mare , not for any amount of money.
If I was unable to meet her needs I would either consider looking for a sharer or loan home or have her PTS.
Even the thought of her ending up anywhere 'unsavory' breaks my heart
I don't take it as an insult classing mine as run of the mill - she might be priceless to me - and we have been offered a blank cheque for her twice - but at the end of the day she isn't the only county standard 15hh WHP/SHP in the world. She isn't the only pony club eventer - so she is really - "run of the mill" in general terms to other people.
So my answer, as I bred her and she's been my equine soul mate (stop laughing JM!!!!) is that I cannot replace her, she's my baby, and no amount of money would make me change my mind. Even if someone offered £1million - I would really turn it down.
Though if anyone did I think OH and sister would conspire to kill me off and pocket the money!!!
I'd sell. End of the day I've come to realise I cannot keep a horse until I keep myself. I've a lot coming up over the next few years, and money is going to be harder to come by than horses.
If I could actually pull off buying run of the mill critters and selling them for thousands, then I would, in a heartbeat.
I have to admit, I'm with JM. And I have to say I think most of you are giving the wrong answer because that cheque is not in front of you.
If everyone truely was so loving towards their horses, people like JG would be out of a job.
I guess almost every horse I have would have a price ... except our little pony mare we brought with us from England. She will always be with us; we've had her over 10 years now and surprisingly a number of people over here have asked if they could buy her because she is such a great little kids pony. She simply isn't for sale.
I would be loathe to sell my personal horses, however of course I would, IF a lovely person came along and offered me the figure I would place on these horses heads; the overriding thing for me is what they could offer the horse and if it is security and kindness then I'm a sucker for altering my mind and selling ones not destined to be sold.
I sold my "horse of a lifetime" last year after being badgered for almost a year by the person who owns him now. He was never intended to be sold, but the home is next door, it's a great home and I get to see him all the time. I also made many times what I paid for him. What helped me make the decision, was that although he was a "horse of a lifetime", I looked out at my fields and realised that I had a least another 5 "horses of a lifetime"!
Some of my horses would be difficult to let go; even some of my sellers would be difficult to let go IF it wasn't for the fact that my buyers are exactly the sort of people I want my horses to go to. I buy in fairly expensive horses, so I already start with good stock, and I sell them generally for around 3 or 4 times what I paid for them, so I get pretty healthy returns.
I don't really understand the mentality of those who think that producers don't care as much for their seller-ons as they do for their own personal horses? I care an awful lot about ALL the horses here; including my seller-ons AND all of the boarding horses. I don't care whose name is on those registration papers, they are all horses living their lives here for this moment, and ALL of them are cared for in exactly the same way as my personal horses. There is no distinction.
I would think that the biggest difference between someone like me versus any regular horse owner, is that I spend FAR more time, all day and every single day, with all of my horses compared to the majority of people who only see their horses a couple of times a day. Of course I will have a deep relationship with all of mine, regardless of whether they are seller-ons, keepers or belong to someone else.
My horse isn't for sale and never will be as in i will never advertise her but i think if someone stood next to me with £15,000 and said ill give you this for her id be hard pushed to say no. I am a run of the mill horse owner ( fanny about at BSJA and a few ODE's but nothing too serious) have had her 9 years now love her to pieces BUT for the right money ( and home ) i would never say never !