To stud or not to stud (and how can I afford it)

Caol Ila

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It's that time of year where I look at winter charging towards us like an incoming train and I waffle about whether to give my horses hoof boots with studs.

Even five, six, seven years ago, it wasn't a thing I thought about too much because Central Scotland rarely got consistently cold enough to bother. Maybe I'd see a day or two where the trails were too icy for hacking, but not much more. However, climate change is upon us. For the last three or so years, we've been getting sub zero temperatures that stick around for more than a month. Mugdock gets unrideably icy. And not hacking gets old, very old, after a week or two.

The dilemma? Both horses would need new sets of hoof boots and they would each need four. No point in having only front boots with studs if the hinds have no traction (I have tried this when Gypsum was shod up front - farrier winterized the fronts but it did b*gger all because she was barefoot behind). I would also need new front hoof boots for both horses since once the studs go in, they stay in forever. And you obviously don't want to be riding in crampons in normal conditions. The horses would need winter tyres and summer tyres.

This is expensive! But I'm so sick of long weeks of being stuck in the arena. Two horses in work will only make that more sh1t.

My vague epiphany today was to look at cheaper brands of boots. My horses are both in Renegade Vipers, which are some of the priciest ones out there. There must be another type, Cavallos or something, which are less costly and would fit well enough for moseying slowly around the park. If your horse needs crampons, you're not doing major distances, steep hills, or going very fast.
 

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I'm looking at my renegades and I think it would be pretty easy to put two screws in each heel that would act as ice nails, or countersunk bolts inside with a nut outside doing the stud job. Pretty sure my OH would be able to do that.
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I had that same thought. If I don’t buy them, however, the winter will be baltic.

I’m basically God.

Prepare for the worst to guarantee it’ll never happen.

A distant relative has been meticulously planning her funeral including buying burial plot and headstone since age 40, she has a consistent family history of death age 55-65. She’s almost 80 now, fine and dandy too! 😁

I bought secondhand boots for adhoc use, some are in very good condition too, due to horse hoof changing size forcing selling - if you know their size, in the various makes (each maker has their specific size chart on their sites), you can find great deals on ebay, FB etc.
 

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I’ve done this, though in reality I didn’t use the studded boots enough. I used equine fusion all terrain ultras.

And I was too scared to use the part worn flex boots I studded in case soles weren’t deep enough.

I find very wet mud as bad as ice for barefoot / hoof boots.

But I hated studs on the road.

I’d say you want the best grip sole of the hoof boots that fit your horse and then add studs.

I’d not stud something that already had bad grip eg cavallos.
 

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I wouldn't stud. Renegades give me sufficient traction on grass and mud and if it is was icy I wouldn't ride. Done that and it wasn't worth the risk.

The reason I wouldn't stud is in the quote below. Not my words but I googled my reason to find a better written explanation.

He said: ‘It is worth remembering what we do when choosing studs and what the horse’s natural function of the foot is. The foot is designed to absorb the impact of landing and it does it by absorbing concussion. Part of that concussion is done through the foot sliding and that absorbs the stresses and strains of landing.’
 

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I'd be unlikely to trust boots with studs in icy conditions any more than ones without tbh - I would accept icy conditions aren't good riding conditions and make do with what I could in all honesty
I am inclined to agree with this ice and snow are just one thing I just don't risk its just not worth it.
 

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Why do you need new boots? The ones I've studded can be removed.. though they are scoots. not sure if renegades are much difference.

As for the studs etc not being worth the risk, if you've ever walked in spikes (as a human) you'll know the amazing grip they provide. Ice studs in hoof boots have the same effect. But yes- no slip for the foot- not so good
 

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I'm afraid I ditto SusieT, paddy555 and Pinjvboots. As frustrating as it might be, I wouldn't be going out in ice either and I'm not a fair weather rider.

Horses in huge parts of the world would never leave an indoor arena all winter in that case :)

I learned my lesson the hard way and would now only ever ride in studded hoof boots or barefoot in snow- never boots with nothing.
 

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Why do you need new boots? The ones I've studded can be removed.. though they are scoots. not sure if renegades are much difference.

As for the studs etc not being worth the risk, if you've ever walked in spikes (as a human) you'll know the amazing grip they provide. Ice studs in hoof boots have the same effect. But yes- no slip for the foot- not so good
you can buy a set of studs for easycare boots, gloves and the like and install and remove them yourself. Renegades come a already studded ie installed by the manufacturer so, unless you came up with a DIY methods for existing boots, then AFAIK she would need a brand new studded pair each. .
 

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you can buy a set of studs for easycare boots, gloves and the like and install and remove them yourself. Renegades come a already studded ie installed by the manufacturer so, unless you came up with a DIY methods for existing boots, then AFAIK she would need a brand new studded pair each. .

Oh yes I’d forgotten that re renegades! I reckon it must be possible to do them yourself like you can with the others.
 

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Horses in huge parts of the world would never leave an indoor arena all winter in that case :)

I learned my lesson the hard way and would now only ever ride in studded hoof boots or barefoot in snow- never boots with nothing.

I can't comment on horses all over the world.

All I can comment on is that riding in icy conditions in hoof boots in the UK wouldn't be something I'd be willing to risk my horse for, studs on the hoof boots or not - I'd rather just give the time off. Each to their own, of course :)
 

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Mud is my biggest issue with boots. My local bridle path is where boots go to be lost and never found.

Can you get either of them to the stage where they can hack barefoot or is the ground just too stony?

There are excellent 2nd hand sites but they are also full of scammers. I know an admin for one and she recommends getting the seller to post a photo of the boots with a piece of paper with today's date on it to make sure they haven't stolen the photo.
 

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Snow is fabulous. I had my best gallop ever on a mile of road a foot deep in pristine snow!

Ice I won't ride on but I would find a solution if it was going to hang around for months.
I know when the snow is fresh and powdery its ok to ride on but when it thaws and then compacts its lethal, so you have to be very quick and make the most of it which is not always easy thing is when it lingers on it becomes layers of thick horrible ice and then I just wouldn't attempt it.
 

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Lets all accept that I spent four years living in Western Massachusetts, and we had borium studs on our shod horses, and we rode out in icy conditions. I have a different threshold than many of yous, so long as I am properly equipped, which is what I'd like to achieve, for a change. Instead of yet another year of b1tching and moaning when we get bloody weeks of frozen trails.

Barefoot without boots is fine for snow. You need studs for ice.

I have no idea why people are talking about mud. ;) My Renegades are absolutely fine in mud.

A whole new set of Renegades is terrifying but maybe geting some Easycare ones and installing their studs isn't stupid. The tend to be cheaper than Renegades.
 

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Difficult one this, ideally it would be buy the studded ones because you may need them and if only used for a short time they will do for next year and on. And buy a set of non studded ones too for use if the studs are not needed.
 

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Thats my view as well prolonged frozen conditions are very unusual in the Uk unless you live high up .
The main track out to our hacking is a solid stony track and it is treacherous when it snows or gets frozen because it doesn't get any sun on part of it, and the only other way out is the road and I avoid the road on good days because of the idiot drivers that fly up and down it, so I definitely wouldn't do it covered in ice and snow it's just not worth the risk.

But I suppose if you can get straight out onto grassy fields it might be a different story.
 

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I will walk round one of my fields in the snow but that’s only for the health of horses and it’s necessary if you have very fit horses whose work is suddenly stopped .
This know as being the frozen human horse Walker I used to be able to ride one and lead two I am not quick enough anymore for that.
I turn out in snow and will put the bedding on the yard to make it safe to get them to the field ,the clean up after that is epic because the route to the field is road planeings .
 

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Lets all accept that I spent four years living in Western Massachusetts, and we had borium studs on our shod horses, and we rode out in icy conditions. I have a different threshold than many of yous, so long as I am properly equipped, which is what I'd like to achieve, for a change. Instead of yet another year of b1tching and moaning when we get bloody weeks of frozen trails.

Barefoot without boots is fine for snow. You need studs for ice.

I have no idea why people are talking about mud. ;) My Renegades are absolutely fine in mud.

A whole new set of Renegades is terrifying but maybe geting some Easycare ones and installing their studs isn't stupid. The tend to be cheaper than Renegades.
I reckon you've given yourself enough time to try and track down 2nd hand Renegades if you get on the re-sale FB pages (watching out for the scammers)

Then you can do ice and the mud when it inevitably turns up!!
 
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