to that woman today...

Ladyinred, he's only half TB, may need to use a man-made fabrics wash cycle. (Very good, btw)

And to stop him kicking out when ridden do I use longreins wrapped round his legs as well as my normal reins or instead of them?

What if I just wrapped his feet in bubblewrap and gaffer tape?
 
My share mare is a kicker, so I shall set about removing her offending leg tomorrow - she does alternate sometimes, so should I remove both and go for a look like the racing chook in cuppatea's avatar picture????

Honestly!!! :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
Seriously, if anyone thinks you can stop horses kicking - you're welcome to try with her.
When she is tied outside her stable, we stay around her in case a horse comes and she needs moving (it is true if you stand just almost diagonally to the hind leg, they won't catch you because of the arrangement of their muscles in the rear they can only kick out more or less straight - cows can kick all ways!!!) and she wears a red ribbon when out with other horses. Not that anyone takes any notice of it!!

K x
 
to "dooble" your question how do you stop a horse kicking others? give it a bloody good belt with your whip within the second it does it, there is nothing nice and enjoyable about being around horses that kick others, horses get hurt and the culprits continue to get away with it, discipline it, it does work especially when you are on its back, it is different when they are loose in the field.
 
madeleine1 said:
makes me laugh, i passed some people today. i was riding and they were leading their horses. i said my horse kicks, which she does and their answer was o it will be ok ours are really friendly. que me sayin she will kick anyway and them walking past completely ignoring me and then having to shuffle sideways quickly and mine kicked out.

really some people know nothing
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I have to say in your position KNOWING my horse kicked I would have turned her head towards the other horses so that they were in no danger, to me that's just basic commonsense, otherwise how were they supposed to pass you or you to pass them?


Them not taking you seriously is no reason for you not to take precautions to prevent her kicking them.
 
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Ever thought of stopping your horse from kicking out at others?
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How does one do that?
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it is quite easy to stop a horse kicking whether being ridden or from on the ground - you punish it for doing so, with a crop if riding and with anything you have to hand when on the ground.

I have certainly long reined more miles behind young horses than all that have replied on this subject put together.

The reason for being close to a horse when driving it is because you are in less danger of being kicked then if you are a horses length away where you will get full force of the wallop.

If a horse is handled correctly and has trust in the handler/rider than it does not get scared and will allow anyone into its space because the rider/handler says that it is all right and they respect what is said whether by voice or action.

I handle a lot of young horses and they accept what I say as being law. I do not beat them into submission, but I am consistently firm with them and correct as things crop up by teaching them what is wanted.

How many of you can say that they have broken a young horse and second time of being ridden that horse was happily opening and closing gates out on a ride?
How many of you can say that you can load a yearling or two year old that has not travelled or loaded, since it was a foal, just by leading it up the ramp?
How many of you can take your horses hunting and know that if a hound or another horse comes close behind them they are not going to kick?
How many of you can have your horses loose when they are being clipped?
How many of you can have the farrier trim their two year old horses feet with them standing loose in a barn?
How many of you can say your horses do not spook and whip around at something new and spooky?
How many of you can leave the stable door open and the horse stand there because they have been told to?
How many of you can take a young horse out on the roads and be confident that it will long rein past a tractor and trailer laden with silo bales and the polythene flapping and only a few feet to pass in?

I can trust my horse and any horse I have here, to do all the above so, when I read of horses being unsafe to ride past others then I will say something whether you take any notice or not that is up to you.

Incidentally, if the horse had kicked out and damaged either another horse or the person leading it then you are open to being sued because you knew your horse kicked.
 
Foxhunter49 said:
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Ever thought of stopping your horse from kicking out at others?


it is quite easy to stop a horse kicking whether being ridden or from on the ground - you punish it for doing so, with a crop if riding and with anything you have to hand when on the ground.

I have certainly long reined more miles behind young horses than all that have replied on this subject put together.

The reason for being close to a horse when driving it is because you are in less danger of being kicked then if you are a horses length away where you will get full force of the wallop.

If a horse is handled correctly and has trust in the handler/rider than it does not get scared and will allow anyone into its space because the rider/handler says that it is all right and they respect what is said whether by voice or action.

I handle a lot of young horses and they accept what I say as being law. I do not beat them into submission, but I am consistently firm with them and correct as things crop up by teaching them what is wanted.

How many of you can say that they have broken a young horse and second time of being ridden that horse was happily opening and closing gates out on a ride?
How many of you can say that you can load a yearling or two year old that has not travelled or loaded, since it was a foal, just by leading it up the ramp?
How many of you can take your horses hunting and know that if a hound or another horse comes close behind them they are not going to kick?
How many of you can have your horses loose when they are being clipped?
How many of you can have the farrier trim their two year old horses feet with them standing loose in a barn?
How many of you can say your horses do not spook and whip around at something new and spooky?
How many of you can leave the stable door open and the horse stand there because they have been told to?
How many of you can take a young horse out on the roads and be confident that it will long rein past a tractor and trailer laden with silo bales and the polythene flapping and only a few feet to pass in?

I can trust my horse and any horse I have here, to do all the above so, when I read of horses being unsafe to ride past others then I will say something whether you take any notice or not that is up to you.

Incidentally, if the horse had kicked out and damaged either another horse or the person leading it then you are open to being sued because you knew your horse kicked.
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It must be so wonderful to be so perfect. And not to have a huge ego and brag about how good you are...

You have my full admiration Foxhunter 49.
 
aw foxhunter your reply was fine until you went off into 'bigging' yourself up:rolleyes: why do people feel the need to do that, just comes across as so arrogant and always makes me wonder why someone feels the need to rub their experience in others faces:confused: i know someone who has had probably 40 years experience................. trouble is he's a traveller type and the reason his ponies are so well behaved is because they are scared *****less:mad:
 
Wow Foxhunter....it really must be wonderful to be so perfect!!

Got to admit....my horse can be stubborn to load, she does kick, she won't stay in her stable when the door's open, she's very quirky to ride and she's not great with strangers...however, for all her quirks, she has character, her own mind and she has taught me a great deal. I love her and I wouldn't change her for a staying put-statue still-good as gold-push button pony for ANYTHING!!
:)
K x
 
Foxhunter49 said:
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How many of you can say that they have broken a young horse and second time of being ridden that horse was happily opening and closing gates out on a ride? UMMM
How many of you can say that you can load a yearling or two year old that has not travelled or loaded, since it was a foal, just by leading it up the ramp? Unbroken 4 YO any good??
How many of you can take your horses hunting and know that if a hound or another horse comes close behind them they are not going to kick? Me, Me, Me
How many of you can have your horses loose when they are being clipped? Yup, 18 YO mini shetland :)
How many of you can have the farrier trim their two year old horses feet with them standing loose in a barn? Pass
How many of you can say your horses do not spook and whip around at something new and spooky? Me, Me, Me
How many of you can leave the stable door open and the horse stand there because they have been told to? Yup, with aid of yard broom
How many of you can take a young horse out on the roads and be confident that it will long rein past a tractor and trailer laden with silo bales and the polythene flapping and only a few feet to pass in? Pass
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I can do some of these - do I get a prize??
 
If the horse is kicking out because it is scared as Madeleine1 has stated her horse does, how does smacking it help?

Not all horses have had the treatment that predisposes them to trust anyone or anything. In cases where the horse has been mistreated and no longer trusts anyone, it can take years to overcome this. What are you to do until then? Ride it at 4am when there's noone else around?
 
Well the light hearted bits of this post have actually had me crying with laughter - I love this forum :D

Shame someone always thinks they're above everyone else, though :rolleyes:
 
Herpesas said:
If the horse is kicking out because it is scared as Madeleine1 has stated her horse does, how does smacking it help?

Not all horses have had the treatment that predisposes them to trust anyone or anything. In cases where the horse has been mistreated and no longer trusts anyone, it can take years to overcome this. What are you to do until then? Ride it at 4am when there's noone else around?
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I agree with this entirely, it is therefore up to the handler/owner to prove to that animal that they are the person they can trust. This is done not with the softly softly, there, there gently does it and all will be all right approach but by being matter of fact.
It is a matter of knowing the difference between a frightened horse and a horse that is frightening itself. Either way consistency in making that animal face the issue is, if it is done correctly, will give it confidence in you to be brave about the matter.

An example of this would be if a horse was nervous about having a rug on, I would have that horse on a halter in a stable where it had room to move and continually throw a rug over it and allow it to run around me I would continue to do this until it just got so fed up with running in a small circle that it stood still. Then a scratch and stop. I would do this several times a day and within a couple of days the rug is not an issue. With a traffic shy horse I will take it to the busiest road I can find providing there is a lay by or somewhere safe to stand it and just sit on it until it is so bored of traffic going past that it accepts.
When doing anything like this I keep cool and calm, my heart rate doesn't change and that passes through to the horse. The moment I think negative or begin to worry then the horse will play up because he thinks that if I am worried then he has the right to worry too.

I am certainly not perfect nowhere near, wish I was! I do not go slagging people off because they state facts. I am open to learning and have been around horses long enough to know that there is no such thing as 'the perfect way for all horses!'

As for someone stating that they know a gypsy who has horses that will do all that mine do but they are scared sh itless of him, come here and see just how afraid of me my horses are. Open invitation and I am based in N. Dorset.
 
Silmarillion said:
Well the light hearted bits of this post have actually had me crying with laughter - I love this forum :D

Shame someone always thinks they're above everyone else, though :rolleyes:
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I cannot get rid of the image of a three legged horse sat in a car with his head through the sunroof. I need help.
 
Foxhunter49 said:
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Ever thought of stopping your horse from kicking out at others?


it is quite easy to stop a horse kicking whether being ridden or from on the ground - you punish it for doing so, with a crop if riding and with anything you have to hand when on the ground.
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So you punish the horse before it actually does anything wrong? Firstly, by your own criteria, if a horse is kicking out in the first place then his basic education must be in some way flawed. If this is the case, how can you possibly guarantee that the horse will respect the crop and NOT kick out? Would you take that chance and put another horse at risk, or would you perhaps warn the other rider, just in case???
 
Foxhunter, get over yourself will you.

The person i origionally mentioned, i did not 'slag off'. They did say the filly i was long reining was in training, therefore a gelding. To me this demonstrates a less than basic understanding. Plus i do not require 'advice' from a random stranger when all that has happened is the horse has got bored of waiting and tried to eat some grass. I had no need to get up her bum. And the reason for longreining is to be out of reach if anything does go wrong.

Don't know why you're bothering to come on here to be honest, you obviously know everything so don't have to learn any more, and us mere humans seem to annoy you and your perfect ways. You were obviously born full to bursting with knowledge. And unwanted opinions...
 
PapaFrita said:
So you punish the horse before it actually does anything wrong? Firstly, by your own criteria, if a horse is kicking out in the first place then his basic education must be in some way flawed. If this is the case, how can you possibly guarantee that the horse will respect the crop and NOT kick out? Would you take that chance and put another horse at risk, or would you perhaps warn the other rider, just in case???
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No, I do not punish a horse before it does something wrong. I correct
it before anything happens.

It is perfectly natural for a young horse to want to protect itself if another horse comes to close behind, particularly fillies/mares, but they will give warning and I will correct that warning either by voice or by using my leg and turning its head and disengaging the quarters.
If it did actually lash out then I would then punish with a quick wallop with the crop behind my leg and booting forward (and cussing the rider behind for not keeping their distance!) I would be to blame if it did actually lash out because I should have been more awake and read the warning signs.

It is all a matter of trust and experience, I gain a horses trust very easily, I was born with an understanding of animals and learned more from always being around them. I am firm and fair, they soon learn this and trust and that goes a long, long way towards them being relaxed and enjoying life.

Non of my horses are characterless, they love to go out when fit and well and have a 'whoopee' buck or get into a rill and soak me by splashing around. Taking crafty snatches at a hedge or the grass when I am opening a tricky gate but none of them bother to get up if I enter their stable and they are down.
I let most of them in loose and the odd one will go into the wrong stable and stand there waiting for me to see they have done it wrong but one word, usually their name and they soon move and go into the correct stable. They think they have been clever and as long as they correct themselves I let them continue to think they are but it is just a game.

Consistency, firmness, fair and fun are the rules here.
 
Magnetic Sparrow said:
Thanks :D. Any tips on how to check that he's colour-fast?
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Patch test, obviously. God, so obvious, how could you not know this? Were you not born with this innate knowledge of how to correctly machine wash and patch test your horse?

You can easily correct any colour mishaps by using one of those sheet things in the machine, or possibly by thumping the horse really hard with a stick of some sort. Maybe. Possibly an orange one.
 
i will probably get attacked for saying this but ah well, this is my opinion and you can't change it. :D

i personally admire the horses that have the guts to kick out at others and are able to stick up for their privacy! if another rather large animal is trying to go up your bum i don't think it's that nice tbh.
if you are standing in the que in a shop and the person behind you keeps forcing themselves into your back wouldn't you turn around and ask them not to? i know i would!
so why should horses put up with other horses nearly sitting on them?! everyone and everything is entitled to its personal space, dog, cat, horse, human. you let a dog sniff your hand and ask the owner if its ok before you stroke it therefore enter its personal space, and if you did get warned by the owner of the dog but went to ignore the warning then got bitten, its your fault! you entered the dogs personal space after clearly being warned by its owner not to as it may bite you. why are horses any different? if the rider warned the people not to get too close to horses back side because said horse kicks which means it doesn't like its personal space invaded by strangers and the strangers then proceed to ignore the warning then they shouldn't complain. my horse does kick when other horses force themselves onto her, and tbh i'm not about to stop her from doing so! i warn riders that my mare kicks and have red ribbon. thats as much as i will do about this. they have a visual and sound warning so they should respect that if they choose not to then they have the consequences.

sorry, i just don't like the idea that horses should accept having their personal space invaded whereas humans, dogs and other animals are allowed to have theirs... why are horses different?!

i think im done now :o

PS. trust, yes the horse should trust the rider but not to the point where another horse is allowed to be so close to your horse.
if you trust your partner in a relationship it doesnt mean that if the partner says its ok for a stranger to hug you, you should trust them enough to let the stranger hug you. you have your own say if it ok or not. why shouldn't the horse have the right to have a say?
or dog, the dog trusts its owner allowing the owner into its personal space, its doesnt trust the stranger that is entering its personal space, then bites. but it still trusts the owner. :) hope it makes sense.
 
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I have to say in your position KNOWING my horse kicked I would have turned her head towards the other horses so that they were in no danger, to me that's just basic commonsense, otherwise how were they supposed to pass you or you to pass them?


Them not taking you seriously is no reason for you not to take precautions to prevent her kicking them.
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like i said theres not enough room, i warned them while they were in a gap where they can pull out of the way and they then said its ok theirs were friendly and kept walking. i could only stand in their way and tell them again which i tried or turn round and try and leave which would have left them facing her bum. i was hoping they would just move into the pass and give us the little bit of extra space she needed them it would have been fine. i layed my whip over her on the side i knew she was going to kick out and did everything i could so of cause there no reason to not take precautions and i did. i tried honestly but the easiest thing would be for them to have waited like i have done lots of times for them.
 
I would have thought bucking would be right at the top in your "that is wrong" rulebook to be honest :rolleyes:

My mare was rescued - the LAST thing I'm going to do if she lifts a leg up at another horse is take a bloody crop to her behind!!!!! :rolleyes: I'd rather just say "sorry, she kicks I'll move her for you" if someone is leading a horse past or "sorry, she kicks could you just be aware of her back end if we're in front, thanks."

K x
 
Firstly, some of the genius comments on this thread have had me giggling sooo much, so thanks for that!

Secondly, PapaFrita...incredibly sensible as usual, love it.

Thirdly, Foxhunter49....get over yourself! Wow.

Fourthly, somethingorother, well done with the backing, sounds as if it went really well, and I am expecting pics!
 
I may have misunderstood the kicking horse post, BUT if they were coming towards you on a public road, wide enough for a car, then bl@@dy well deal with your horse if it kicks out at animals on the other side of the road :eek: Having been kicked while on board my mare, by a nasty piece of work animal, and then being told it was my fault for being in the way (standing still ensuring that all other 20 riders in the group got back safely into the car park!) I find it amazing that other people are expected to stop and make way for the horse that doesn't behave!
 
YorksG said:
I may have misunderstood the kicking horse post, BUT if they were coming towards you on a public road, wide enough for a car, then bl@@dy well deal with your horse if it kicks out at animals on the other side of the road :eek: Having been kicked while on board my mare, by a nasty piece of work animal, and then being told it was my fault for being in the way (standing still ensuring that all other 20 riders in the group got back safely into the car park!) I find it amazing that other people are expected to stop and make way for the horse that doesn't behave!
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i'd never expect anyone to stop just beacuse my mare kicks, i'd simply expect them to respect her space and not get so close as to cause her to kick out, but with my little devil she only kicks out at horses and only when they are physically thouching her. :)
 
YorksG said:
I may have misunderstood the kicking horse post, BUT if they were coming towards you on a public road, wide enough for a car, then bl@@dy well deal with your horse if it kicks out at animals on the other side of the road :eek: Having been kicked while on board my mare, by a nasty piece of work animal, and then being told it was my fault for being in the way (standing still ensuring that all other 20 riders in the group got back safely into the car park!) I find it amazing that other people are expected to stop and make way for the horse that doesn't behave!
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its a single track rode so you are talking 6 foot across if that and what to you suggest i do to deal with it, hitting her makes it worse, pushing her forward to move on just increases the force she kicks out. there wasnt enough room to turn her and she does trust me and we have a bond but as i say i have only had her a year and we are working on it. i dont see why a 10 second wait while i get out of their way is the end of the world.

no one got kicked or injured btw just a warning kick. i did manage to push her bum away to a certain extent
 
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unless of course the track was too small to fit both horses/people comfortably without trouble. then thats a different story :)
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would not have been an issue if there was 3 or 4 foot between us i have that much controll now, honestly it would have taken then 10 seconds to wait
 
madeleine1 said:
would not have been an issue if there was 3 or 4 foot between us i have that much controll now, honestly it would have taken then 10 seconds to wait
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unfortunately some people learn the hard way :( you can give them warnings, write the message on your forehead in big letters, stick a banner to your horse with the warning, give them the warning through a megaphone but they will still smile and just ignore you, untill they get kicked and then start shouting at you :( it's always the same :(
 
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