Tony Blair - should he stay or should he go?

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Jiffy

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I don't want him to go yet!
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It will soo date my B*ll*cks to Blair teeshirt prematurely!
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g-g...Thatcherism is not what has changed industry in the UK.... worldwide emerging market forces have done that.

I couldnt stand the woman (batty as a banana) either but MT's government at least dragged us towards the 21st century. Without her we would be bankrupt by now.
 

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" think selling off the utilities was madness" So was abolishing the councils.....

TBH, I saw it with Maggie, and Major, and now Blair. However good someone is as PM in the first term, after 10 years they run out of steam and ideas.
 

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12 years ago there wouldnt have been an MRI scanner within 100 miles of you. 8 Years ago there would have been a scanner 50 miles away but with a 2 year waiting list.

But, you can have all the modern health technology available on your doorstep now; but only if you're willing to pay tens of billions more for it.
 

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It always shocks me that anyone can vote Tory - the 'I' mentality over the 'we' mentality is not one I can fathom.As for not being able to trust governments with our money who can you trust? Unfortunately you definitely can't trust the wealthy to voluntarily help the less fortunate - which is why you need governments to step in and make sure wealth is shared out a little more evenly.

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Yes I would agree with a fair distribution of services, but the tax system is so unfair. Inheritence tax, for a start, leaves families struggling after bereavement, not because they are filthy rich, but because that is what their houses cost in some areas. We are paying more tax now as a nation then we ever have. I don't see that standards in our schools or hospitals are any better. The staff there try hard but they are strung up by government initiatives, targets and political campaigns that cost money to administer. And don't even start me off on the plight of the elderly in our current political climate.

Haven't you seem what this government is doing to the countryside? How we are all expected to live like battery chickens in satellite towns and work in service industies because we have been deskilled as a nation. How agricultural planning cuts anybody wanting to make a livelihood in farming an impossibility and how country pursuits are treated as social diseases?

Tony Blair and his cronies have divided the country just as acutely as MT and her government ever did, the cut has just fallen in a different way and it will be the undoing of him and his party
 

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Totally agree. New Labour is the enemy of the countryside - that alien area they have heard about that exists beyong the M25. In Bedford alone they are building over 2000 new housing units because of John Prescott's housing directive, but no new schools, shops, hospitals etc etc. There is no funding in place to provide any infrastructure for the people moving here, and no provision for the inevitable flooding that will occur when half the land in under concrete. I live next door to a working farm that has been worked by several generations on the same family; you can bet the current one will be the last. As for what this government is doing to motorists - yes, we will leave our cars at home, but first you have to provide reliable and affordable alternatives. Until then, don't punish us for driving to work or taking the kids to school.
 

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I do think it's time for TB to go and I look forward to Gordon Brown being in charge - he's an incredibly bright man and I think he'll surprise a lot of people when he steps out of TB's shadow.

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Hmmn, are you sure? He does have a degree in politics from Edinburgh University but his only actual work experience was as a part-time lecturer at Paisley College (now University) in Glasgow. I'm not saying he is thick, but why do people believe he is some kind of super-brain? Who decided this? Does he have any publications as evidence of this, has he any successful record in business or the professions? No, he simply has a slick PR machine behind him and loads of naked ambition to ascend the political machine as far as possible. To do so he will do and say anything. Don't make the mistake of believing he cares about people. I dont find him particularly convincing. In his own constituency in Fife, a brand new hospital was closed down after a few years in a town that had had loads of new housebuilding in favour of an antiquated Victorian hospital miles away. He didnt even get involved in the debate.

Personally I find some of the strong Communist views in that part of the world extremely frightning and the "Thatcher did more harm to this country than anyone" dogma quite bizarre.
 

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Agree on GB. Bright? Hmmm... Not on the evidence so far. Certainly not charismatic either, can't see him as a world statesman. Not someone I would want representing my country on a global stage. The only good thing he has done is let the Bank of England set interest rates, although in reality they always did anyway.
 
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