"Tories pledge to repeal hunting ban"

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Would you now vote for the Tories? And do you think it'd actually happen?

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If I voted for tories I would hope they would use the time for far more pressing issues atm.

ETA - I do think the hunting act should be repealed, just not before other more pressing concerns.
 
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If I voted for tories I would hope they would use the time for far more pressing issues atm.

ETA - I do think the hunting act should be repealed, just not before other more pressing concerns.

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Absolutely I agree. I will be voting Tory but like you I think that the parliamentary hours wasted bringing this act in shouldn't happen again when our country is in the state it is now.
 
If the tory party get elected it will be because MP's in many area's will change from labour to Conservative. That doesnt make them hunt supporters and certainly doesnt make the constituents they will have to represent pro hunting. IMO the act will never be repealed merely strengthened.
 
Just to put a fly in the ointment but is it a good thing to repeal the hunting ban????? Think about it, we have currently a law that yes is unworkable!! But the hunts are still going on acting within the law (
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I think the fact that so many are prepared on an open public forum to suggest illegal hunting continues ( as you have just done), merely illustrates Lush are correct in their campaign. Perhaps others on here will agree lol lol

Funny enough I agree with you. The hunters should have just put up and shut up but believe they have enough support to repeal. As long as this continues I believe a total ban will definately come
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was because I cannot see how a hunt CAN act within the law... not knowlege from personal experience!!!!!

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Neither can I and sorry if I offended you. Perhaps the time has come to ban the use of horses and hounds for hunting full stop. I personally believe that to be the way forward.
 
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Hope it stays that way too!!! Drag hunting is fine BUT NOT Fox hunting.

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Why not? People will always try to control the numbers of foxes, farmers, gamekeepers, small-holders etc will only shoot the foxes.
They are surely better off hunted by dogs that will take out the injured, diseased, elderly fox and leave the healthy fox that will outrun the hounds. That way a healthy population of foxes is promoted rather than the present situation of shooting which could easily take out the best, healthiest fox.
I would like to see the practise of digging out the fox or sending in the terriers banned so that if a fox goes to ground it has won - the hunt can then go and find another fox.
 
Expand? I think it was pretty clear. There should be a complete ban on hunting foxes with horses and hounds. No more loopholes, no more silly games.
Shoot them or leave them alone. No more chasing an animal that is running terrified for its life.

Hope that makes my stance and wishes clear enough.
 


[/ QUOTE ]Why not? People will always try to control the numbers of foxes, farmers, gamekeepers, small-holders etc will only shoot the foxes.
They are surely better off hunted by dogs that will take out the injured, diseased, elderly fox and leave the healthy fox that will outrun the hounds. That way a healthy population of foxes is promoted rather than the present situation of shooting which could easily take out the best, healthiest fox.
I would like to see the practise of digging out the fox or sending in the terriers banned so that if a fox goes to ground it has won - the hunt can then go and find another fox.

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The old and sick will die and that is how nature works. So no that is not an acceptable excuse. All hunting with hounds chasing foxes should be made absolutely illegal and hopefully soon it will be.
 
p.s agree about the terriers 100% No different IMHO to dogfighting with the terriers suffering exactly the same injuries as thoase in illegal fights. An abhorant practice digging.
 
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[/ QUOTE ]The old and sick will die and that is how nature works. So no that is not an acceptable excuse. All hunting with hounds chasing foxes should be made absolutely illegal and hopefully soon it will be.

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the old and sick die of disease and starvation - slowly. Death by hounds is every bit as natural as this and a lot quicker
 


[/ QUOTE ]the old and sick die of disease and starvation - slowly. Death by hounds is every bit as natural as this and a lot quicker

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The old and the sick of any species die and we do not interfere. The same as our own sick and old die. Hunting foxes, or other animals or indeed our old folk is not natural. Nature does not rely on a pack of hounds and people riding on horseback to keep a balance. Farmers NEED to control nature to protect livestock for mans requirements there is nothing natural about it. So get on, do what you must and shoot to control numbers but please stop bleating on about chasing foxes with a pack of hounds being natural in any way shape or form!
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[/ QUOTE ]the old and sick die of disease and starvation - slowly. Death by hounds is every bit as natural as this and a lot quicker

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The old and the sick of any species die and we do not interfere. The same as our own sick and old die. Hunting foxes, or other animals or indeed our old folk is not natural. Nature does not rely on a pack of hounds and people riding on horseback to keep a balance. Farmers NEED to control nature to protect livestock for mans requirements there is nothing natural about it. So get on, do what you must and shoot to control numbers but please stop bleating on about chasing foxes with a pack of hounds being natural in any way shape or form!
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I'm afraid that you are betraying your ignorance of the British countryside. Foxes absolutely rely on predators to keep their population sustainable and healthy - as we have eliminated those natural predators it is not only necessary, but arguably morally desirable, that we replicate this process as closely as possible. Shooting and other methods are not descrimatory and merely control numbers; hunting culls in the truest sense of the word. The presence of horses and riders is irrelevant - foxes being hunted by a pack of dogs IS entirely natural.
 
but we do put our own animals to sleep when they do get old and sick...?

They are ours domesticated animals and our responsibility. Foxers are wild animals and do not belong to anybody.
 
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but we do put our own animals to sleep when they do get old and sick...?

They are ours domesticated animals and our responsibility. Foxers are wild animals and do not belong to anybody.

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I'll be sure to remember that next time I see a seriously injured wild animal and take care not to "interfere"
 
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Expand? I think it was pretty clear. There should be a complete ban on hunting foxes with horses and hounds. No more loopholes, no more silly games.
Shoot them or leave them alone. No more chasing an animal that is running terrified for its life.

Hope that makes my stance and wishes clear enough.

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No, it wasn't at all clear. You said:

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Perhaps the time has come to ban the use of horses and hounds for hunting full stop. I personally believe that to be the way forward

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For the use of hunting full stop is ambiguous - so all hunting should be banned, including drag hunting? That, after all, can be looked on as just a silly game to no end.

Shoot them? Then, if the first shot is not instantly fatal, let them suffer before trying to shoot them again? And if they get away, let them die a lingering, painful death? Ah, such compassion for the poor foxy...
 


[/ QUOTE ]I'm afraid that you are betraying your ignorance of the British countryside. Foxes absolutely rely on predators to keep their population sustainable and healthy - as we have eliminated those natural predators it is not only necessary, but arguably morally desirable, that we replicate this process as closely as possible. Shooting and other methods are not descrimatory and merely control numbers; hunting culls in the truest sense of the word. The presence of horses and riders is irrelevant - foxes being hunted by a pack of dogs IS entirely natural.

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Please dont throw the ignorance one at me. I live in the country, work in the country and hunt in the country. I even used to work lurchers on both rabbits and foxes so no need to throw any doggy nonsense my way either.
Now if I am correct it was the hunters who created this imbalence with their ignorance and pretending to replicate 'natures way', is in the opinion of most cruel because nature itself is often cruel. I dont need or accept humans playing god with a wild animals welfare and IMO there is no justification for our interfearance other than to keep numbers controlled if needs be. However you certainly dont know that nature wouldnt itself find a way to control fox numbers because you have never actually given nature a chance!
 


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No. Drag hunting if that is what rocks your boat is fine by me if you can be proven to be trusted to leave the foxes alone. The jury is still of course out on that one.

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Shoot them? Then, if the first shot is not instantly fatal, let them suffer before trying to shoot them again? And if they get away, let them die a lingering, painful death? Ah, such compassion for the poor foxy...

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Oh the dramatics once more lol lol I hunt, I kill. But if I cannot make the shot I dont take it. Thats where the compassion and the humaness comes in but some of us DO actually have some control over oursleves and weapons when it comes to hunting.
 
Urm... another issue with the old and sick is they don't just go and curl up and die. They try and find easy food because they can't get enough in the wild... that's when those lambs and chickens start to look mighty tasty.'

Hunting with hounds is the ONLY fair way to control numbers as its the only way to kill the select few who make up the majority of those going after the farmers stock.
 
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