Torment of a stag: caught on film

[Reginald]

How have I "hijacked" this forum? I've contributed to half a dozen threads since I joined. How have I interfered with hunters' discussion about what they enjoy doing? I've never posted on threads about where the next meet is, hunting attire, my first hunt etc.

This is a hunting forum, so I'm expressing my views on that subject. For example, I happen to think it's cruel to bait foxes. I'm not forcing you or anyone else to respond to my posts. That some hunters do is up to them.

If you feel that I have in some way contravened the terms and conditions of the forum feel free to alert the admininstrators. In the meantime I suggest you engage the "ignore" facility so you no longer have to endure my posts.

 

[Grumpy Herbert]

Ooooh, touch a nerve did I?!?! Was it the not voting Labour thing? (I know you said horse lovers love Labour!)

All I was saying is that a forum specifically catering for people who enjoy hunting is probably not the best place to express anti-hunt views (having done so myself in the past). At no time did I say you had contravened the terms and conditions of the forum. And I reiterate that the pro hunt folk don't tend to put their pro hunt views on the other forums - perhaps we could show them the same courtesy and let them have this forum to discuss their hunting?

For what it's worth, I have found your posts interesting, which is why I haven't done the ignore thing. No need to get so arsey. Please feel free to ignore my posts from now on.

 

[Reginald]

But this isn't a forum "specifically catering for people who enjoy hunting". Where is this specified? Instead, the forum banner states:

"Discuss your views and experiences in the hunting field"

Well I'm not going to discuss my experiences in the hunting field because I don't hunt, but I do have views about hunting so I'm discussing those.

Always try to be precise in what you say. If you've lunched well I can forgive your wooliness. Otherwise I urge you to marshal your thoughts in a more disciplined and clear-headed manner. Please leave me now. I would be alone.

 

[Grumpy Herbert]

Er, I think the title sort of gives it away - Hunting Forum. One would have to be very naive to think that this forum is for promoting the League Against Cruel Sports!!!

I have views on hunting too - I don't agree with it. But I don't see how coming on a HUNTING forum and banging on about it achieves anything. It seems to just be a deliberately provocative act.

I'll assume you haven't lunched well, hence your tetchiness. I will leave you alone, as requested, to continue to needlessly antagonise people!! Whatever "floats your boat"!....

 

[Reginald]

There are "debates" about hunting on every single page of previous posts I've looked at. The world hasn't imploded. the administrators of the forum don't seem to mind, the magazine still sells copies: who cares? Lighten up!

 

[henryhorn]

I don't think anyone minds any antis coming on here, there are pro hunters, antis and sit on the fence but have firm views like me too.
My views are coloured by having hunted three days a week qualifying pointers many years ago, owning a farm and formerly a deer herd.
I've been fox hunting and concluded that foxes although obviously stressed by being hunted don't suffer the same as deer.
When we first had the deer I realised what incredibly nervous creatures they were compared to other species. They are forever watching for predators in a way foxes and badgers don't.
After 9 years we decided to sell the herd of red deer and arranged for the buyer to collect them, the day arrived and we started to walk them towards the narrow entrance of the Deer park to load, within minutes they had become incredibly stressed and panting and after 45 mins of chasing them on a couple of horses, several gave up and lay down in a right state.
We abandoned it and tried again using nets to steer them a few days later and just me on a horse, and this time they loaded easily.
My point being chasing a deer is very different to a fox .. I am completely against deer hunting for this reason, they suffer horribly, research has proved that the substances released by their muscles when hunted make them tie up rather like horses, but they keep running through the pain..
We also had many wild deer living on the farm, and they could be seen grazing exaclty the same areas several times a week, as did the herd. Whenever any needed to be culled the marksman simply sat and waited, and with a high powered rifle dispatched them instantly. I had the deer in the herd killed th same way, and it was so easy sometimes one would fall within the herd and the rest would continue grazing round it!
I get pretty cross when people claim the only way to dispatch a deer is with hounds..rubbish. anyone who has deer on their land will admit they graze in similar areas on a regular basis. They are difficult to get near enough to shoot on places like Exmoor and you have the added danger of the public roaming, so I can see some reason for being able to move them to somewhere to shoot them, but to chase any deer with dogs is to cause them real suffering.
I'm sure it's brilliant fun to whizz over Exmoor, but let's not pretend the real reason behind stag hunting, it's not to control the deer but to have funon horseback and enjoy the social side too.
Deer do cause damage to trees and eat grass, so from a farmer's point of view they are a nuisance, but shooting them is a far kinder method provided the gun is an expert.
Oh and I should say I loathed the deer, they irritated me because of their very nervousness and we now have a deer park filled with horses instead..

 

[Fairynuff]

Wow HH oo: At last, someone who seems to know what they are talking about through experience. Ive seen the occasional doc on deer farming and it came across as difficult for the farmer and potentially very stressful for the animal-these were deer born and bred in relative captivity for a good few generations so werent strangers to man. deer hunting has never sat easy with me, I would prefer to see them stalked and shot as is done in Scotland. M.

 

[Reginald]

Having thought about it I was a bit arsey with you Prilly. Sorry! Grovel grovel!

 

[wurzel]

November 30th on the Quantocks is going to be a happy day for you !!

 

[DingDongScabiousOnHi]

I think it's great to have antis on the forum.

Keep it up Reggie!!!

 

[blueberry]

I tend to sit on the fence a little, mainly because i have never been on a hunt.
I have never wanted to and never will, i know it doesent sit comfortably with me.

Jumping off the fence a little just to say i find that this incident displays cruelty and is totally uneccessary.

All animals desrve to meet their death in as humane way as possible. It isnt a lot to ask.

 

[Reginald]

Thank you for your comment blueberry. I agree with you completely.

 

[blueberry]

 

[wurzel]

Which bit is cruel and inhumane ?

 

[blueberry]

If you yourself do not know the answer to that, then sadly, i would 'preaching to the ignorant'.

So i am not going to insult your intelligence by thinking for one minute that you are seeking clairification so you can further your understanding.

 

[wurzel]

Oh that bit !!

Just as I thought. No answer !