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As its seasonally repeating, specifically this time of year - i dont know what area/climate youre in, but im west ireland wet climate, and the past 6 weeks we’ve had ergot (claviceps purpurea) fungus developing and sprouting on the seed heads of long grass that didnt get cut in the summer. Theyve now mostly all dropped off into the grass due to wind/storms/cold-weather seed-drop.
It can be visually seen with the naked eye, and looks like mouse droppings growing out the top of long grass seed head stalks.
The grass species it grows on mostly is ryegrass heads, tall fescue, and late summer will infect sweet vernal grass too.

If my horses had access to those areas theyd be at risk of toxicity from it. There are many ergot alkaloids - all causing various symptoms. The main one studied because it affects breeding cattle/equine/sheep/goats too, is ergovaline. This mainly causes lack of milking. Yet the initial symptoms are high temp and lack of appetite. Cold extremities, hooves, ears, clouding of eyes are symptoms in mammals without youngstock.

The other alkaloids within ergot are wide and varied with various symptoms. Some affect the CNS.

You can rule this toxicity out if all the areas your horses have been grazing dont have any long grass seed heads remaining from summer growth. If they do, insoect closely the seed heads looking for black 3-5mm ‘seeds’ growing out the top.
Due to the storms the ergot may have all dropped but you should find evidence on some seed heads near sheltered hedges, if you have ergot.

If it is ergot, pulling them off it is all you can do, and wait for the seed heads to fall and rot or speed-up the process with topping the grazing. Not allowing return to grazing until all has rotted away and new growth appears.

As your horse has recovered in the inbetween months, and only gets this re-triggered this time of year, it does suggest a mild toxicity/dose they’re ingesting, and can recover from, which is good news.
 

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I'm resurrecting this post. Third autumn and we have the neuro behaviour back so can only conclude that it is something in the field in the autumn. I've googled for hours trying to find out if acorns or oak leaves can cause this to no avail (I found her and her little friend making a beeline for the acorns that are now fenced off). For the time being they are restricted to the yard, we have a different supply of meadow hay that smells and looks lovely, and have added milk thistle to the diet. Three different vets have found nothing, and all confirmed that I carry on riding as she shows absolutely no symptoms under saddle. Feed is very natural, grass nuts, grass chop and Bloom n sheen vit/mineral supplement.
Absolutely acorns can cause ataxia so now you've removed this hopefully you will get your answer.
 

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This was my first thought as my now retired mare had Lymes, after a lot of tests and treatments she eventually recovered to a degree, but still with some residual long term problems. She is no longer a safe ride as her symptoms do suddenly reappear from time to time and my vet feels that as she can be extremely explosive during an episode the risk is too high that she might do so under saddle. Plus she does get very stiff in her movement when it flares again.

I hope you can get to the bottom of it, the frustration of not knowing what is going on makes it all so worrying I found. :(
After a huge battle with the vet I got bloods sent to America and they came back negative.
 

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Absolutely acorns can cause ataxia so now you've removed this hopefully you will get your answer.
There have been no other symptoms the last two autumns which is why I'm unsure whether it is acorns/oak leaves. And none of the vets have suggested toxicity from plants. The first episode there was depression, not eating and a raging temperature and we have had none of these.
 
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