echodomino
Well-Known Member
Actually someone else mentioned the KCABS in a previous post on here, it was a rather delayed response to that. But at least there's something we agree on.
It isn't actually me who breeds the HWV, it's my mum. We breed to improve on our stock, mum shows and has done for over 20years. The same really with the JRs, I'm improving on what I've got with the view to establishing my own line.
The HWV have to have a contract of sale because they are endorsed NOT to be bred on from with the KC and that apparently has to be contracted out before it works - or something to that effect, either way it has to be made known to the new home and signed for.
The Jacks don't go with a contract but it is stated in my puppy folders that I will have the puppy back be it 12wks, 12months or 12years - and I make sure that is clear with my new owners before handing puppy over.
We only have hip scores done. I'll be honest, I haven't got a reason for not doing so with the JRs. I breed them, as I said, with the intentions of establishing my own line, not for any other reason, and even that is a gradual thing; having only had 3 litters in 6yrs I'm only just on my third generation. I go on temperament and conformation - granted there's not a set KC standard but when I get round to joining the JRTCGB there is a standard there. Maybe other health checks are something I shall consider next time round. And I can't breed a "pedigree" JR because the traditional short-legged one is NOT KC recognised.
No we don't breed on looks and a good enough temperament, we breed from bitches with low hip scores, exceptional temperaments and those that conform as closely as possible to the breed standard in ALL respects.
I've already said that I understand the arguement from both sides, and understand why you feel strongly about the issue but it's not like the OP is puppy farming and she's taken into account pups may return from the homes she's found.
With all respect its not always because people bred because their bitch is "cute" that rescue centres are full. Just as many dogs end up in there because of the lack of research and knowledge before people go ahead with buying a puppy. So in my eyes it is both breeder and buyer who come to fault there. I wouldn't dream of seeing one of my dogs or one I've bred in a rescue centre, and I've only ever had one puppy back - my Mouse, who I have kept and it wasn't the owners fault that she could no longer keep her. It certainly wasn't my fault because I bred her either.
I don't think I'd encourage breeding deliberate crosses but as I've already said, it's down to that dogs owner to decide and they shouldn't be attacked just for posting and asking questions. All that will do is put people off asking help and advice from those of us who are experienced in breeding - ok granted I'm only 20yrs old but I've been breeding HWV with my mum for 10yrs - or at least thats how long ago it was when I whelped my first puppy, but I like to think that I do know enough, and think that by putting those people who don't know as much off from asking questions because they feel attacked means they're more likely to go ahead regardless and without any form of knowledge, surely this makes the problem worse? and I'm not saying that the OP doesn't know, just using that as a general opinion on the whole thing.
It isn't actually me who breeds the HWV, it's my mum. We breed to improve on our stock, mum shows and has done for over 20years. The same really with the JRs, I'm improving on what I've got with the view to establishing my own line.
The HWV have to have a contract of sale because they are endorsed NOT to be bred on from with the KC and that apparently has to be contracted out before it works - or something to that effect, either way it has to be made known to the new home and signed for.
The Jacks don't go with a contract but it is stated in my puppy folders that I will have the puppy back be it 12wks, 12months or 12years - and I make sure that is clear with my new owners before handing puppy over.
We only have hip scores done. I'll be honest, I haven't got a reason for not doing so with the JRs. I breed them, as I said, with the intentions of establishing my own line, not for any other reason, and even that is a gradual thing; having only had 3 litters in 6yrs I'm only just on my third generation. I go on temperament and conformation - granted there's not a set KC standard but when I get round to joining the JRTCGB there is a standard there. Maybe other health checks are something I shall consider next time round. And I can't breed a "pedigree" JR because the traditional short-legged one is NOT KC recognised.
No we don't breed on looks and a good enough temperament, we breed from bitches with low hip scores, exceptional temperaments and those that conform as closely as possible to the breed standard in ALL respects.
I've already said that I understand the arguement from both sides, and understand why you feel strongly about the issue but it's not like the OP is puppy farming and she's taken into account pups may return from the homes she's found.
With all respect its not always because people bred because their bitch is "cute" that rescue centres are full. Just as many dogs end up in there because of the lack of research and knowledge before people go ahead with buying a puppy. So in my eyes it is both breeder and buyer who come to fault there. I wouldn't dream of seeing one of my dogs or one I've bred in a rescue centre, and I've only ever had one puppy back - my Mouse, who I have kept and it wasn't the owners fault that she could no longer keep her. It certainly wasn't my fault because I bred her either.
I don't think I'd encourage breeding deliberate crosses but as I've already said, it's down to that dogs owner to decide and they shouldn't be attacked just for posting and asking questions. All that will do is put people off asking help and advice from those of us who are experienced in breeding - ok granted I'm only 20yrs old but I've been breeding HWV with my mum for 10yrs - or at least thats how long ago it was when I whelped my first puppy, but I like to think that I do know enough, and think that by putting those people who don't know as much off from asking questions because they feel attacked means they're more likely to go ahead regardless and without any form of knowledge, surely this makes the problem worse? and I'm not saying that the OP doesn't know, just using that as a general opinion on the whole thing.
