Toy Town /Toytown breeding. Anyone know? Also in Breeding

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Does anyone have any idea of Zara Phillips' horse's breeding? I need it for an article and I have tried all official sources (BE, NED, WBFSH lists etc) and none of them have it, although one web search did come up with 'belivied to be of Irish origin'. OTOH the IHB and ISHR have no record of any horse of that name either so I am a bit stumped!

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Thanks for that ...

OTHO, so OK, they (the present owners presumably) don't know but that should not be the only answer. Someone, somewhere bred him, registered him and then sold him on (presumably to be imported into the UK). Sadly the paper trail of this is non-existent ATM as he was given an ID-only passport before he became well known, perhaps becuase some dealer sometime didn't want a future owner to go back to his breeder 'to get another one like that' and so cut them out of the sale (I have seen it happen quite blatantly) so that dead end shouldn't really be one as he obviously had a previous history before he was first registered with BE.
 
He is believed to be by Voltaire but there is some confusion over the breeding dates.
He was imported by Carron Nichol from either Ireland or Holland
 
I think that he has been dna'd by the IHB but I dont know the results.
Typical irish dealer mentality cutting up the passport . The breeder in Ireland may not even know what he is up to although the dealer will probaly have been back and bought further offspring
 
they must have some idea of his parentage???????,,, surely?????,,,with all their resorces????,,,, !!!! HMMMM
 
Well what I will say is I have a four year old at home who looks very like him!
That's a Cruising type bloodline which would account for TT's prowess XC.
Ours is growing like a weed despite being out of a 16 hh stallion and 16.1 hh mare, he's almost bigger than that now.
He's going up to where CCJ works in June to be started, she has better facilities there like a round pen, then we will see how he turns out.
If he is as good as his sire he will probably stay with us a while, if not he'll be sold.
I think TT may be irish bred, sooner or later someone somewhere will recognise him and speak out.
 
It seems odd no one has come forward, given his distinctive look and colouring. But then again, his breeder could be long gone and some places make so many they wouldn't necessarily remember. It's also possible he didn't have the spots when he was younger, or at least not as noticeably.

He hadn't competed before they got him, did he? So he may very well not have "history". And he would have been born (and changed hands?) before mandatory passports, would he not?

There are quite a few horses on the FEI lists designated "unknown" that aren't - I wonder why no one corrects that, especially given how much money is at stake.
 
Hadn't he done PC or juniors or something? I have vague memories of someone telling me that Capt MP saw him at a clinic or trial and thats how they got him. Don't know that could be Urban Legend.
 
I've read somewhere that he was the product of a liaison between an Irish stallion and a Dutch mare. He's been bred by a dealer called Carron Nicol who said that they were unnamed and didn't have any papers. He did a few events with a rider named Meryl Winter before Mark Phillips spotted him and bought him.
 
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