Trailering licence confusion

Rusty Rider

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Hi all!

I just need a sense-check on this… I have a UK driving licence (passed in July so <1yr if relevant), which includes a BE licence (see pic). Everything I read tells me that it allows me to trailer up to a total max weight of 3.5t, which should be just about fine for a Skoda Superb + 1 horse trailer and 16.1 athletic but thin-built mare, right?

I just can’t quite bring myself to believing it, as in France (where said horse and car are located), you need an additional licence and test to be allowed to do so (B96 up to 3.5t, BE up to 4.2t).

The mother found herself in the situation where, being a bit clueless and badly advised, she’d been driving her 2-horse trailer without the appropriate licence for a solid couple of years. She’s now switched to a lighter trailer and is in the process of getting the correct licence, but failed on first try and the next exam session isn’t for a while. Not too mention that she’s not getting any younger and trailering anywhere between 8-12h to comps and back on her own really takes its toll.

I’m home for the next event - would I be OK picking up some of the driving? Ideally mostly motorway/simple straight roads stretches, as ultimately I have 0 experience of driving anything bigger than an estate, although I’ll try and squeeze in some trailering lessons and definitely a couple of empty runs before we set off.
 

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The rules recently changed and the b+E test was got rid of.

You can now tow a trailer up to 3.5 tons (that is trailer and load combined) on a normal license provided your car is able to tow that (check the GTW and MAM of the car)
 
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Thanks for confirming! Strikes me as odd as you should really have some training before towing a live animal (or my thing really) but grateful I don’t need to pass another test!
 

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I think you’ll need to check that you can be added to your mum’s insurance with a UK driving licence. We couldn’t get insured on someone else’s privately owned car here with a UK licence, we had to swop our UK licences anyway due to brexit so not an issue now but family aren’t allowed to drive our cars here. Hiring obviously is different.

Also, have you driven abroad before? I would recommend you get a lot of practice in towing an empty trailer in France first, before loading anything.
 

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I just can’t quite bring myself to believing it, as in France (where said horse and car are located), you need an additional licence and test to be allowed to do so (B96 up to 3.5t, BE up to 4.2t).
You can drive up to 3.5 t with B permit in France, B96 is up to 4.2t and BE greater than 4.2t (https://www.service-public.fr/particuliers/actualites/A16341).
Also B96 is not really a test, more of a training day.

All those weights are not the actual weights but maximum weights the vehicles are able to carry.
 

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The rules recently changed and the b+E test was got rid of.

You can now tow a trailer up to 3.5 tons (that is trailer and load combined) on a normal license provided your car is able to tow that (check the GTW and MAM of the car)
GTW minus the GVW is usually the car max tow limit listed on the V5 doc

This is 100% legal

Vehicle
GVW 2000
GTW 4000
Max tow limit 2000

Trailer
MAM 3500
Empty 1000

Max load into trailer will 1000 so it does not exceed the max 2000 tow limit
 

Rusty Rider

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Thanks all! I have driven in France a lot, possibly more than I have in England so no issues being on the other side etc.

Good point on the insurance though - I won’t need to swap my licence for a French one as I am still very much a British resident (and French national) but worth checking I’d be covered on the trailer insurance (I know I’m fine on the car insurance).

Looks like the mother and I have the same entitlement in the end, so might try to convince her to get to a weight bridge to make sure we’re both road legal with the loaded smaller trailer - I suspect it’ll be a close call with the heavy-ass tack locker and car packed to the rafters…
 
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