'Trendy Cross Breeds'

Some gullible twonk will stomp it up and then they will breed more, that one needs reporting to the Inland Rev they can pay tax on £1200 a pup!!! ARGH
 
The trade in cross breed pups really got going when the kennel club stopped letting breeders register more than one litter per bitch per year - so the hard core breeders started breeding the fancy cross breeds in between pure bred litters.

Its scandalous:(

As a dog groomer, I see lots and lots of these dogs and I have to say that most of the poodle crosses have good temperaments (probably better temperaments that pure bred poodles to be honest) but naive buyers are being conned right left and centre.

Round here they are selling for the best part of £1000. Its a total disgrace.

The other thing that really gets me is the "Dog Lovers Registration" instead of kennel club registration. Basically a way to register all the pups that cant be registered with KC papers. Its another sham and folks fall for it constantly.

And for the record, I have 2 collies and a cross breed - the cross breed cost me the most - £45 out the pound:D. Both collies were free (one was rescued off a farm at 6 months old). There is no way I could justify spending the money they ask for these mongrels.
 
I have a springer x lab who is a fab dog, but it does annoy me when a gun dog trainer called him a very nice example of a springador!


I just smiled and said thanks, he starts his first class Monday :)
 
Mongrels!!!!!!! :D

Isn't that the name that used to be given to all these X breeds. lol

I have a lovely grey at the mo, but i did have a whippet x collie, she sisn't have a 'trendy' name she was a mongrel and we loved her all the same.

Loads of these breeds, x or not in rescue homes why pay over inflated prices for something, when you can give a home to a rescue dog with the same breeding!!!! :D
 
Flying_Filly said:
We have a little Springer x Lab pup. She was an accidental breeding and didn't cost much at all :p

I would never call her a springador or labradinger, she is a cross breed :D I say Lab x because I'm fed up of people telling us how insane (:eek:) she'll be when they hear she's got springer in her!

Both her parents have great Field Trial Championship winners in their blood lines, but I don't expect her to have any of those qualities, nor did I buy her for those reasons. I know both parents and how she was raised, that is more important to me then her breed.
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I`ve got a springer x Cocker and have had people say "oh dear two spaniels in that, he`s going to be crazy" :rolleyes: Quite possibly the most chilled out dog I have....yes he has a thing for chewing vet wraps, boots, or anything he finds on the floor that happens to be mine but he`s not fizzy or nutty just a happy little guy. My Lab pup is more of a nutter! :D
 
CAYLA said:
I have done, and gotten some results ;) .All you need do is send in a few pages of your local add mart type paper, along with a little note and a few sums:rolleyes:
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Im sure if some of you actually bothered to read the website, you would see that is alicenced kennels that is actually a business !! Which normally means accountants and tax etc. Not queus at the dole office and if you had actually run a kennels would realise how much money goes into doing it properly and caring properly for the dogs. Im sure money made from those litters keep the rest of the dogs fit, well and fed for the rest of the year when they are not bred. You dont only feed and look after dogs when they have a litter, it is an on going thing.

Once again another case of people not knowing the facts and only believing what they want to believe.
 
Pamhols if you had bothered to read the whole thread you would have seen the major gripe was people charging nearly double what a pedigree dog would cost in affect for a xbreed. Most of these dogs are not health checked another bug bear and being sold as none shedding when they cant guarantee this.

Easy money and you can breed as many litters as you like from one bitch without KG restraints.
 
pamnhols said:
Im sure if some of you actually bothered to read the website, you would see that is alicenced kennels that is actually a business !! Which normally means accountants and tax etc. Not queus at the dole office and if you had actually run a kennels would realise how much money goes into doing it properly and caring properly for the dogs. Im sure money made from those litters keep the rest of the dogs fit, well and fed for the rest of the year when they are not bred. You dont only feed and look after dogs when they have a litter, it is an on going thing.

Once again another case of people not knowing the facts and only believing what they want to believe.
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Quite a few people on here have plenty of experience running kennels and know the costs involved. The horror is at these poor dogs being bred purely to sell to gullible public and for much more than purebred offspring of those same dogs would fetch. Many also are involved with rescue & help pick up the pieces.

if there was no market these puppy farms - used in the correct sense as the puppies are produced as a crop - would find other income instead.
 
Fany Du Champ said:
I have a Pattingdor- Springer dad x with Labrador x Patterdale mum.(other wise know as a mongrel)
Not trendy and not expensive £50 as a token payment but definitely a mistake as the dad has now been neutered I hear.

FDC
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Can I see a picture, please :)

I have a springer x patterdale who everyone thinks is a lab puppy. It drives me mad!! :rolleyes:
 
Ayla84 said:
I`ve got a springer x Cocker and have had people say "oh dear two spaniels in that, he`s going to be crazy" :rolleyes:
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My little Fraggle pup has working springer & cocker AND patterdale in her, and she's the most perfect little dog you could imagine! :D
 
pamnhols said:
and if you had actually run a kennels would realise how much money goes into doing it properly and caring properly for the dogs. Im sure money made from those litters keep the rest of the dogs fit, well and fed for the rest of the year when they are not bred. You dont only feed and look after dogs when they have a litter, it is an on going thing.
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The blooming irony of someone saying that to Cayla is hilarious!! :D
 
Dobiegirl said:
Pamhols if you had bothered to read the whole thread you would have seen the major gripe was people charging nearly double what a pedigree dog would cost in affect for a xbreed. Most of these dogs are not health checked another bug bear and being sold as none shedding when they cant guarantee this.

Easy money and you can breed as many litters as you like from one bitch without KG restraints.
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I think you would find that council licenced kennels have the same restaints on number litters bred as the Kennel Club and most decent breeders would take their dogs back if the owners cant keep them for any reason so they dont end up in rescue. It is the so called "breeders" that decide they have a lovely dog and would like a litter out of it just because it would be nice for the children that get on my nerves. If anyone comes to me and asks for a stud use, I ask why they want to breed the dog and when they say, it would be lovely and educational for the children, I tell them the truth, they may lose the bitch, what happens if the half the pups die,and then when they get to 8 weeks these puppies that the children have fallen in love with have to go off to new homes,how nice is that for the children.
Those type and the BYB's can be the worst as none of them are interested in taking the dog back if circumstances change, they are often the ones that end up in rescue.
Also the times I see adverts for a 10 week old puppy, that they have just bought and due to child allergy, time etc are having to rehome, why the hell wont the breeders take them back, they have nomally only been left home a few days.Decent breeders should be resonsible for the dogs they breed for the rest of their lives if needed.
 
If you mean kennels with council issued breeders licences, it is my experience that they make no effort to check the number of litters, or even the number of bitches, of course other councils may be different.
I do agree with you that the people who breed litters for all the wrong reasons (e.g. nice for the children) are as bad as the BYBs, but I am also not a fan of the huge commercial kennels.
 
Pamnhols most breeders breed dogs because they love the breed and want to improve it and have a code of ethics They also health test their dogs so ensuring their puppies are healthy.

What are the aims of these cross breed breeders, it is money pure and simple and If you think otherwise you are living in cloud cuckoo land.
 
Dobiegirl said:
Pamnhols most breeders breed dogs because they love the breed and want to improve it and have a code of ethics They also health test their dogs so ensuring their puppies are healthy.


What are the aims of these cross breed breeders, it is money pure and simple and If you think otherwise you are living in cloud cuckoo land.
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Obviously different area councils are better at monitering than others then, our area if very good and make all the correct checks and makes sure that all licence conditions are met.


I agree that some crosses are a bad mix and offer no improvement to the breeds at all. But some of the others do make improvements in health and temperament. If the lines of the dogs are well known and if bred sensibly and correctly, improvements can be made.

I know this is an issue that so many people are against and get on ther high horses about. But is is the slanderous remarks and assumptions and judgements that are made about people or breeders they know nothing about that really gets on my nerves. Most breeds of dogs were originally a cross of something else before they became a " pedigree " breed.

I think its mad that so many people get up tight about it, but how many horses in the world are cross breeds ,bred to get characteristics from both breeds, but that seems to be ok with horses.
 
I agree with you Pamnhol about the horses there are far too many being bred but you will find those of good breeding will always find a market. With regards to cross breeding of horses there are some good crosses but where your argument falls down horses only have 1 offspring whereas dogs can have anything up to 18. Ive only owned 2 mares in my time and never felt the need to breed to make a quick buck. My 2 bitches(Lancashire Healers) I never bred from because I thought they were not good specimens of the breed and that was my main concern.

You cannot improve pedigree breeds by crossing it to another breed you would never get the KC to register it.

The reason people get up tight about these cross breeds is the rescue centres are over flowing with dogs so why add to it. As I said before its all about making money and nothing you have said has made me change my mind.
 
Springerman! Springer Spaniel X Doberman! Nan's just got one, it's only a puppy, incredibly cute but it does admittedly look just look like a Labrador!
 
Well I had a "Pure Accidental" aka Cavalier King Charles X Bernese Mountain Dog. he was a complete mistake and I rehomed him and he was a little star! People regularly used to stop me and ask his breeding...if you say pure-accidental quick enough as all one word people fall for it!
 
amage said:
Well I had a "Pure Accidental" aka Cavalier King Charles X Bernese Mountain Dog. he was a complete mistake and I rehomed him and he was a little star! People regularly used to stop me and ask his breeding...if you say pure-accidental quick enough as all one word people fall for it!
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:eek: Seriously, I know you said it was accidental but those 2 breeds should never have been allowed to get it on - am hoping the CKCS was the dog!
 
Ayla84 said:
I`ve got a springer x Cocker and have had people say "oh dear two spaniels in that, he`s going to be crazy" :rolleyes:
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Hang on a minute, a purebred Springer or Cocker would have two spaniels in them as well:p People make me laugh:D:D

I think the worry can be that, as with any dog, people get them because they look cute as puppies, then can't cope... but there's probably no responsible breeder to take the pup back so they end up on the freeads. Happens with backyard breeders of purebreds too of course, but these dogs with cute little names do seem prone to it - people don't realise what they are taking on.

I have seen a 'springer-dor' working and I thought he was ace. There's a nice one at work too. I'd have one as a working dog, but I wouldn't be paying silly money for it!
 
mollichop said:
:eek: Seriously, I know you said it was accidental but those 2 breeds should never have been allowed to get it on - am hoping the CKCS was the dog!
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yes the KC was the dog. I didn't produce them only gave a home to my fella when he was a 4 year old. it was a ridiculous cross and really was a true accident. the bitch got loose on the wrong day. She had been used for purebreds and was retired from breeding but she wanted one more go!!
 
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