Truely excited to truely gutted what the hell is up with my horse?

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Well as some of you are well aware i recently had my horse broken and was so excited about him coming home and finally being able to ride him at long last,cut a long story short i ahd to have a saddle fitted in order to ride,girl came out fitted it and asked me to ride him in the school for ten mins.She held on to him whilst i mounted him gently in the school he went balistic and threw me immediately broncing me off in about ten seconds.I did exactly as i had been told nothing different to anything they had done and here i am two days later with a broken horse i cannot mount still as soon as you lay any weight over him he is off.I lunge him at least half an hour before i try to do anything with him get my other half to hold him while i try to lie over his back but he just takes off any ideas what the hell is going on as this is a horse that is meant to be ridealbe please any advise would be appreciated i am truely gutted !!!! and sore!
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Ring the people who you gave him too, explain whats happening and ask them what the hell is going on!!! Also you need to see them get on him and see if they do anything different or if they even broke him in at all.
 
So the saddle fitting was the first time you had got on the horse after it coming home.Was it a new saddle she had put on him and asked you to ride him or the same saddle used to break him etc.

Might just have been nerves, if he was sent away then he would have got used to the routine and environment used there, was perhaps just a bit unsettled?
 
Did you witness him doing anything like that when you went to visit him at the breaking yard?
 
Are you sure he has been broken?? I would get him back to them pronto and ask to see the person who broke him ride. Would also get his back checked.
 
That is a real shame, if don't mind me asking where did you take him to get him broke? And are you sure they have put all the work into him?
I was going to send my 2 year old who is 3 next month to be broke but he is so attached to me that everyone at my yard has told me to try doing it myself as he is a very nervous horse but has a lot of faith and trust in me and doesn't always have best of temperament when being handled by other people.
Ermmm i don't really know what to suggest, if i was you i would get hold of who ever broke him for you and ask them why he is behaving so badly for you considering he is meant to be broke. If they aren't too far away maybe you could even get them to come and do the work with you just so you can see what he was really like around them...or maybe they might be able to give you some pointers to get him to allow you to ride him.
 
The stupid thing is i went to ride him the day before he came home and he was fine ,i watched him being ridden and he was going really nicely .They showed me how they mounted him so i could do everything the same way as they did , which ive tried its a joke i dont understand they are coming over sunday to see what he does because they are miffed about his behaviour its not like im inexperienced either ive been riding since i was four but to see him in my school it as though he had never been sat on.I did wonder maybe it was the saddle but the saddler said it fitted him not being an expert in this field i wouldndnt know really if this could be the problem it looks like it fits like a glove as she said!
 
Would it be possible for you to use the previous saddle? To see how he goes in it at your place? Sounding like there is a problem with the saddle, however until you try the old one, you won't know. Maybe he is just being a tosser?!
 
Well .. if you rode at the yard where he was broken and he was fine .. a few things may have happened,

A) he was worked into the ground before you got there
B] he was drugged
C] You have done something since he was home or the saddler has
 
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best thing is to see what he's like with them when they come, maybe it is the saddle which is unusual for him or maybe it is as Tia's said!
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i may ask him to bring the other saddle they used with him and just see if this does make any difference it could just be that he is so used to the feel of the other one that he finds this one strange! It could be that he is purely taking the **** out of us because he is a bit of an arse anyway. The guy who broke him in does this day in day out and i know several people who have had their horses broken with him and they have been fine! Im going to try again tonight when it is quite in the yard he has no distractions and hope that he may bit a bit more sensible today now that he is more settled at home again. I havnt even been able to sit on him really but im going to keep trying just glad it was me who was thrown and no ,one else!
 
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Yes I've read some of your posts about him and I'd agree with you, he does sound like an arse.

It couldn't be something as simple as you toeing him as you get on, could it? Perhaps they mounted, as I do, with my toe pointing backwards and then quickly swing it around without touching the horse's side?

Presumably he is fine just with the saddle on? Have you lunged him with the stirrups down? Could he be ticklish? Could the saddle pad be the issue? What bit are you riding him in - is it the same bridle as he wore at the breakers yard? Sorry if these are all daft questions, I am grasping at straws here.
 
hi tia yeh all the tack is exactly the same a full cheek with a french link as they used,only thing different is the saddle.He lunges just fine with all the tack on and dont think my toes have touched his side as i layed across him its almost like my horse has a split personality maybe he could be picking up from vibes my other half is giving off he isnt too keen on men anyway! Thanks for trying to help me here !
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I think the only thing you can do is wait till the breaker comes over at the weekend and perhaps he can see what is different and what may be causing the problem. Let us know how it goes.
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I had exactly the same problem a few years ago. Horse was broken by someone I knew and respected and I had ridden the horse at the schooling yard with no problem. Got back on her at home (with different tack) and she absolutely freaked and broncoed. To cut a long story short, it eventually transpires that they used an elasticated girth at the schooling yard, and I had used a standard leather one. Changed the girth and problem sorted!

Hope your case is solved as easily!
 
Maybe a bit of a useless suggestion but are you using a numnah under the saddle, if not then maybe try???
My 'sensitive' 10yr old goes loopy if you try and ride him without a numnah......saddle fitters never believe me until they see him being girthed without a numnah...they soon change their mind and let me put one on
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Good luck and hope you get it sorted!!
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Were they riding him in an old saddle of yours or one of their own? Whichever, use the saddle he's used to when they come to see him and then, if all goes well, try your new one.

How long was he home before this happened? How often had he been worked in your arena during that period? Did you longe him at all before getting on him? (Was this ever part of his program, even if they had stopped doing it recently? I always try to go back a few steps when the horse is being asked to do unfamiliar things.) Is it possible the saddle fitter did something to set him off when she was holding him?

It's likely the saddle, or more properly too many strange things - saddle, unfamiliar routine of saddle fitting and not his usual prep for riding, being home (although he's lived there he's never worked there) and a strange person holding him, perhaps in an unsympathetic way - at once. You may have done something differently that didn't seem a big deal to you but was perhaps a very big deal to him. Maybe he *should* be more tolerant but a lot of young horses wouldn't be and anyway, if he's not the tolerant type it will take him a lot more time to develop a thicker skin with training.

And now he's had a frightening experience in this new situation it's not like you're going to be able to immediately erase it from his mind - you may have to back track a bit. Unfortunately first impressions are important. That said, obviously the horse was fine before and you will make him fine again! Hardly any horse's training goes in a completely straight line, especially if they are sensitive and/or there are changes when they are still fairly fragile in their schooling.

Odds are the trainer will be able to sort it out for you and provide you with a bit of a "rehab" program if there is any lingering anxiety. I'm sure it will get sorted - let us know how you get on.
 
Oh dear what a shame
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Presume you saw him ridden when he went away for backing and you also rode him before he came home?

If it was a different saddle from when he was backed did saddle fitter put a saddle cloth underneath?

I would ring the people who backed him, explain what's happened and ask if they can come over to ride him and then you get on afterwards. If they are reputable they will be more than happy to help
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I would reiterate what has been said before, h:ave his back checked, it is amazing how easy it is for the back to be misaligned!
 
We had been riding ours merrily for months then took him to his first 'plaited up' party. He went MENTAL - hated the pulling of the plaits as he rounded his neck
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. Well, that's what we guessed it was. Son managed to stay on and he's never done it since - could be something really simple.
 
I would definitely ask him to bring the other saddle with him. Then compare the style of the saddle with your own.

It does sound that it is posibly a saddle issue. I have had perfectly fitted saddles on my mare only for her to throw her teddies out of the pram big time! She had to have a large weight bearing are and dislikes panels as they restrict her when the girth is tightened (we think!)

I ended up with a wow as it has no panel, a large weightbearing area and flair and she is a different horse
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But it took a while to get there (plus a few visits to hospital!!) LOL!!

So it may be the style of the saddle rather than the fit. Look at the panels, the weight bearing area the shape, wither/spine clearance etc. Also look at where the saddle sits on his back.

Hope that helps. You may just have a sensitive one like mine!
 
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