Trying to explain myself a little

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"As to the remainder, there was, the judge rightly ruled, “no evidence to show they were in any danger" and that a sale at auction was a respectable, and traditional, way for horses to change ownership.”
link to above statement

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The problem is...who to believe????

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I would believe what is said in the link I have posted above.

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"Deputy District Judge Sandeep Kainth agreed to return the pets to the family but rejected their application to have the remaining 82 animals returned. These animals will instead be sold at auction in May. [/b]

.....But Judge Kainth said the donkeys and Shetland ponies had to be returned to the Grays, "as there is no evidence to show they are in any danger".


Link to above statements:

http://www.buckinghamshireadvertiser.co.uk/archives/2008/04/court_orders_an.html


Now the one report is from the SHG website, while the other from a news article. They give different interpretations of what the judge stated but as both where written by people not actually connected with the defence or prosecution team...who's to say which statement includes the true facts?

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If you can make it to court then do so. That way you will hear the facts for yourself.

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If the case goes to trial, I have every intentions of attending.
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Believe what you will but the SHG have NOTHING to SELL. Like you said, they are not connected with the defence or prosecution. And tbh, I'd rather trust a childs comic book than a newspaper.

Glad to know you'll be attending if it goes to trial. Fingers X'd, I'll be there too.
 
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Believe what you will but the SHG have NOTHING to SELL. Like you said, they are not connected with the defence or prosecution. And tbh, I'd rather trust a childs comic book than a newspaper.

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I'd rather keep an open mind than believe everything I read in the press or on websites like the SHG.

Your right though, unlike newspapers, the SHG have nothing to sell. Perhaps this is why the version of the judge's statement differs so greatly on their website compared to all the other press and TV reports nationwide........or maybe there could be another reason?



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Glad to know you'll be attending if it goes to trial. Fingers X'd, I'll be there too.

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See you there then (that's assuming the case goes to trial).
 
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Believe what you will but the SHG have NOTHING to SELL. Like you said, they are not connected with the defence or prosecution. And tbh, I'd rather trust a childs comic book than a newspaper.

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I'd rather keep an open mind than believe everything I read in the press or on websites like the SHG.

Your right though, unlike newspapers, the SHG have nothing to sell. Perhaps this is why the version of the judge's statement differs so greatly on their website compared to all the other press and TV reports nationwide........or maybe there could be another reason?



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Glad to know you'll be attending if it goes to trial. Fingers X'd, I'll be there too.

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See you there then (that's assuming the case goes to trial).

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I can't see any reason why the SHG would lie or misquote anything the judge said.

Yep - see you there if it goes to trial. (if I manage to make it)
 
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I can't see any reason why the SHG would lie or misquote anything the judge said.

Yep - see you there if it goes to trial. (if I manage to make it)

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I don't know if the SHG did misquote the judge's statement on their website..maybe they did, maybe they didn't. Looking at it from both sides of the fence though, I can think of a couple of good reasons why they may have wanted to.

But that's purely speculation on my part.....not fact, so my thoughts may be totally unfounded.
 
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I can't see any reason why the SHG would lie or misquote anything the judge said.

Yep - see you there if it goes to trial. (if I manage to make it)

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I don't know if the SHG did misquote the judge's statement on their website..maybe they did, maybe they didn't. Looking at it from both sides of the fence though, I can think of a couple of good reasons why they may have wanted to.

But that's purely speculation on my part.....not fact, so my thoughts may be totally unfounded.

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May I ask your reasons as why you believe the SHG may have wanted to misquote the judge?
 
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Did anyone manage to get to the hearing in Oxford today?

I couldn't make it.

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Todays pre-trial hearing was postponed until Tuesday the 13th of May. It will be held at Banbury Magistrates Court.
 
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I can't see any reason why the SHG would lie or misquote anything the judge said.

Yep - see you there if it goes to trial. (if I manage to make it)

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I don't know if the SHG did misquote the judge's statement on their website..maybe they did, maybe they didn't. Looking at it from both sides of the fence though, I can think of a couple of good reasons why they may have wanted to.

But that's purely speculation on my part.....not fact, so my thoughts may be totally unfounded.

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May I ask your reasons as why you believe the SHG may have wanted to misquote the judge?

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I don't “believe” any such thing.
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It was only after visiting the SHG website that I began to "think" that IF the press quoted the correct statement, the SHG may well have had good reasons to want to misquote in it their press release.

Looking over the other side of the fence, the same could also be said for the media. IMO, both are quite capable of misquoting and this is why I'm keeping an open view until the case goes to trial.
 
Sorry SH but you are confusing me.

You said you could think of a couple of good reasons as to why the SHG may have wanted to misquote the judge - then when I ask these reasons you claim that you don't believe this.
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I have yet said nothing on this whole sad and sorry state of affairs, partly because I don't know the facts of this case but mostly becuase I do know a bit about the type of dealer that JG may (or may not!) have been.

The fact is that bottom of the market traders have always been around, in fact this is probably the best way to make money form horses if you have the guts and stomach for it. I beleive this has now been stopped but it was not uncommon for dealers to wait at Potters and the other slaughter houses and buy hopeful sorts off the lorry as they arrived. They basically buy unwanted stock from any source as cheaply as possible.

They take a risk as some are so ill/malnourished they just don't survive, they have lice, stangles and all sorts of other things. These delears won't spend masses on them but do feed them up and try and sell them on where possible.

It makes no business sense whatsoever to buy a animal cheap then simply let it die. This is the crux IMO of the whole JG case and why I don't believe half of what is in the press. Even the most stupid and low life dealer on the planet (not implying JG is!) would soon go out of business if this is what he did.

I think myjack has done an excellent job of making people think about the whole case and it will be interesting to see the outcome of this one.
 
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I have yet said nothing on this whole sad and sorry state of affairs, partly because I don't know the facts of this case but mostly becuase I do know a bit about the type of dealer that JG may (or may not!) have been.

The fact is that bottom of the market traders have always been around, in fact this is probably the best way to make money form horses if you have the guts and stomach for it. I beleive this has now been stopped but it was not uncommon for dealers to wait at Potters and the other slaughter houses and buy hopeful sorts off the lorry as they arrived. They basically buy unwanted stock from any source as cheaply as possible.

They take a risk as some are so ill/malnourished they just don't survive, they have lice, stangles and all sorts of other things. These delears won't spend masses on them but do feed them up and try and sell them on where possible.

It makes no business sense whatsoever to buy a animal cheap then simply let it die. This is the crux IMO of the whole JG case and why I don't believe half of what is in the press. Even the most stupid and low life dealer on the planet (not implying JG is!) would soon go out of business if this is what he did.

I think myjack has done an excellent job of making people think about the whole case and it will be interesting to see the outcome of this one.

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Well said.
 
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Sorry SH but you are confusing me.

You said you could think of a couple of good reasons as to why the SHG may have wanted to misquote the judge - then when I ask these reasons you claim that you don't believe this.
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Sorry for the confusion myjack.....I'll try to explain what I mean.

I interpret “believe” to mean suppose or assume .....and I never make assumptions about anything.

My interpretation of “think” is to analyse something rationally. After visiting the SHG website, that's what I did and I could “think” of a couple of good reasons as to why they may have wanted to misquote the judge's statement in their press report.

That's the problem's with the English language...it can so easily be misinterpreted, but I hope this explanation helps.
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Sorry SH but you are confusing me.

You said you could think of a couple of good reasons as to why the SHG may have wanted to misquote the judge - then when I ask these reasons you claim that you don't believe this.
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Sorry for the confusion myjack.....I'll try to explain what I mean.

I interpret “believe” to mean suppose or assume .....and I never make assumptions about anything.

My interpretation of “think” is to analyse something rationally. After visiting the SHG website, that's what I did and I could “think” of a couple of good reasons as to why they may have wanted to misquote the judge's statement in their press report.

That's the problem's with the English language...it can so easily be misinterpreted, but I hope this explanation helps.
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Okay thanks.

Do you believe the SHG are telling the truth about the two people they mention in their report?
 
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Okay thanks.

Do you believe the SHG are telling the truth about the two people they mention in their report?

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I’ve already explained that I don’t make assumptions, but the simple answer to your question is, “I don’t know".
 
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Okay thanks.

Do you believe the SHG are telling the truth about the two people they mention in their report?

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I’ve already explained that I don’t make assumptions, but the simple answer to your question is, “I don’t know".

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Fair enough!!
 
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....and what do you think the reasons could be for them to misquote the judge?

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I don't think for one moment that the SHG had any reason to miquote the judge.
 
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....and what do you think the reasons could be for them to misquote the judge?

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I think there’s already enough speculation and hearsay surrounding this case without me adding to it.
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....and what do you think the reasons could be for them to misquote the judge?

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I think there’s already enough speculation and hearsay surrounding this case without me adding to it.
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Well maybe your thoughts may give us some food for thought.
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....and what do you think the reasons could be for them to misquote the judge?

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I think there’s already enough speculation and hearsay surrounding this case without me adding to it.
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Well maybe your thoughts may give us some food for thought.
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Who knows, maybe they would and maybe they wouldn’t. Either way, I'm not prepared to risk influencing anyone with my thoughts without first having the evidence to back it up.

The fact is, I can’t produce any evidence, so effectively my thoughts are purely speculation…and, as already mentioned, I think there’s enough of that surrounding this case already.

So for now, I'll definately be keeping these thoughts to myself.
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....and what do you think the reasons could be for them to misquote the judge?

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I think there’s already enough speculation and hearsay surrounding this case without me adding to it.
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Well maybe your thoughts may give us some food for thought.
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Who knows, maybe they would and maybe they wouldn’t. Either way, I'm not prepared to risk influencing anyone with my thoughts without first having the evidence to back it up.

The fact is, I can’t produce any evidence, so effectively my thoughts are purely speculation…and, as already mentioned, I think there’s enough of that surrounding this case already.

So for now, I'll definately be keeping these thoughts to myself.
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Okay - fair enough!!
 
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