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One of my horses is on a sachet of bute daily for mild arthritis and I would like to give her system a break over winter whilst she isn't doing as much work.

I have bought a Hack Up bespoke supplement containing turmeric & boswelia for her and I can feed up to 40g a day, although Alex from Hack Up has advised 30g is about equal to a sachet of bute.

Can anyone advise if I need to load this at a higher dose initially or do I just go straight onto the 30g a day and then adjust according to how she feels?

I must admit I'm a bit sceptical but I feel after over a year on bute it wouldn't hurt to give her system a rest. If she regresses once she stops the bute I will go back on it but I feel I would like to try the turmeric for her after reading so much good about it.
 
Not sure sorry but am
In the exact boat!
My horse is on Danilon and I've just ordered turmeric, oil and pepper to see if I can get him off it.
He's having a shoe/ drug free break over Christmas but as soon as the turmeric arrives I hope to start gentle hacking minus the bute or danilon so will watch this post with interest!
Fingers x'd for them both ;)
 
Yes fingers crossed, I will be interested to hear how you get on.

Mine is on a joint supplement that works wonders for her ( cosequin )so I've been toying with stopping the bute for a while now but been a bit scared to take the step. She's been feeling so good recently I hunted her for a few hours over Xmas and she came back sound and wasn't suffering in the following days so as my bute supply is just about to run out I decided now is the time to try.

I didn't want her to go cold turkey so spoke to Alex at Hack Up and he was so confident I could stop the bute if I used his anti inflammatory supplement that he sort of gave me the final push! I must admit I'm nervous but I guess if I don't try I'll never know.

Good luck with yours, I'll be keeping my eye out for any updates you post.
 
Ask to join the turmeric users group on Facebook. Masses of info there and the guy who started the group is a vet.

As cinnamontoast says, you will need to add freshly ground black pepper and a suitable oil for maximum benefits.
 
My gelding is also on a Hack Up Bespoke joint supplement and I also give him turmeric. He gets 25g a day with extra Virgin olive oil and fresh ground pepper. I went straight in at that amount but some people do introduce it slowly and build it up. He also has a herbal mix from Progressive Earth and the combination of all three things means he is sound and doesn't need any Danilon at present. I was giving him a sachet before shoeing as he was finding it uncomfortable but my farrier commented on how much better he was so we are going to do his next shoeing in a couple of weeks without the Danilon and see how he goes.

Are you wanting to try the joint supplement and turmeric or just the Hack Up Bespoke?
 
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Why not try reducing the bute to every other day, rather than stopping it completely? Then reduce to every 3 days etc then withdraw if all is well.
 
Good idea Apache Warlord, I think that might be my best option.

Bertolie I am not using a Hack Up joint supplement as I use Cosequin. I am using a Hack Up anti inflammatory supplement which is just turmeric & boswelia. I'm a bit concerned now that it's not going to work as it contains no oil or pepper - will email them.
 
I retired my 18yo last April as he'd been lame in front for a few weeks and the vet said it was due to his arthritis. He's been on a bute a day since, and to be fair, has been moving well. Now he is in overnight, I decided to give the turmeric a go, as I feel I have nothing to lose. He's been on it about a week, have still been giving him a bute a day, but am thinking of cutting it down to one every other day next week as the turmeric gets into his system. I must admit, have cheated a bit and bought cracked black pepper instead of doing the grinding.
 
TheresaW said:
I must admit, have cheated a bit and bought cracked black pepper instead of doing the grinding.
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Sorry to tell you, that will render the use of pepper totally ineffective. The point is that you release the piperine in the pepper by grinding it then feeding within 20 minutes, after which it is no longer effective. This is why it's a good idea to join the group and keep reading the information. You can suspend the piperine in oil, hence why it's recommended to cook up the paste with the three main ingredients of turmeric, oil and fresh ground pepper for human consumption.
 
sonjafoers said:
Good idea Apache Warlord, I think that might be my best option.

Bertolie I am not using a Hack Up joint supplement as I use Cosequin. I am using a Hack Up anti inflammatory supplement which is just turmeric & boswelia. I'm a bit concerned now that it's not going to work as it contains no oil or pepper - will email them.
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Im sure you could just add the pepper and oil to the feed anyway? A lot of people seem to use it without but it is supposed to be a lot more effective with. I bought pepper corns off ebay 250g bag for £3 and coconut oil from a health food place foe £8.
 
cinnamontoast said:
Sorry to tell you, that will render the use of pepper totally ineffective. The point is that you release the piperine in the pepper by grinding it then feeding within 20 minutes, after which it is no longer effective. This is why it's a good idea to join the group and keep reading the information. You can suspend the piperine in oil, hence why it's recommended to cook up the paste with the three main ingredients of turmeric, oil and fresh ground pepper for human consumption.
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Bummer. Ok, will have to buy the real thing then. Thanks for the heads up.
 
The Tumeric also has to be at least 3% curcumin.

It'll probably work out much cheaper feeding turmeric, oil & pepper than a commercial supplement.
 
My old mare was lame - a combination of arthritis and the aftermath of laminitus. I put her on turmeric, ground pepper and linseed oil and I can honestly say that the difference is amazing. She has been lame on the turn for quite a while but has no problem now. She rarely ran around the field but will now happily jump off all fours, kicking her legs out. Putting her on turmeric is the best decision I made.
I would try pure turmeric, pepper and the oil of choice (linseed, virgin olive oil or cold pressed coconut oil). It is relatively cheap and could change your horses life in the same way it has my old lady.
 
My old retired mare is doing well on turmeric, linseed and black pepper. She was on bute and cosequin and to be honest not doing great and I was close to pts. Switched her onto bute, cosequin and equine america superfen and significant improvement in her comfort levels but still on lower levels of bute. Added in the turmeric and she is now best she has been in a long time and bute free!! Wouldn't have believed it if I wasn't witnessing it.

In fact she might have to have a bit of work soon as she is feeling so well and becoming a monkey!
 
cinnamontoast said:
When feeding turmeric, you need to add oil (flax/linseed, Virgin Olive or coconut) and freshly ground black pepper or it won't be anywhere near as effective.
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Any oil seems to work, I have myself and my arthritic mare (20+ yrs) on Tumeric, usually taken in sarnie form for both of us and I just use margarine, seeing the difference in my mare, who was on her last summer, now back happy hacking, no longer on bute (2 yrs), I used Tumeric, (also arthritic), I went from being unable to tack up, ride for more than 15 mins, to having full use of my hands, felt great when I tacked up myself, did a 2 hour hack and could dismount myself, 2 years later, neither myself or my mare feel our age, what have you got to lose by trying.
ps, my OH was so impressed by my improvement (original cynic) he now reccomends Tumeric to my customers
 
Seemed to really help a older horse I know. Never seemed to roll much which was presumed due to stiffness after being on turmeric a while now rolls regularly and seems better than ever. may just be coincidence but its worth a try. Also my mum started taking turmeric tablets start of last year since she suffers from a lot of joint pain particularly in her knees making long walks difficult. In the summer she went on a hiking holiday, which speaks for itself, and didn't suffer any knee pain which is short of amazing. I am complete cynic to herbal or home-made remedies but I can safely say I am totally converted at least towards turmeric!
 
Any oil probably will work in theory.
The thing is (and I don't know the science behind this!) that some oils are anti-inflammatory which include Olive and coconut. These are the good oils as obviously any others then fall under the inflammatory category which would be detrimental to conditions causing pain and inflammation (arthritis being the most common it seems)
 
Hi, I know this thread is a few weeks old but those who use it and have good results, could you let me know where you buy your turmeric from please?
 
I get mine from an asian food store.

I add oil to their feeds anyway, but don't bother with the pepper, and have seen amazing results despite missing out this crucial ingredient..... controversial!!!
 
I get mine from a place on ebay - £6.99 inc postage for 900 g. I get my peppercorns from a local greengrocer (79p a pack) and nicked a spare peppermill from the kitchen at home. Oil I get from Lidl (1 litre for 99p) - just bog standard veg or sunflower oil - it seems to work just as well as any other suggested on here.

My boy is still on a bute a day, at 37 his arthritis is pretty well advanced - but he way of moving has improved a lot since I started with the turmeric. I don't think I'll ever take him off the bute though it might be possible in the summer - we'll have to see how the weather goes. I'd recommend anyone to give it a go after the results I've had with H.
 
alsxx said:
I get mine from an asian food store.

I add oil to their feeds anyway, but don't bother with the pepper, and have seen amazing results despite missing out this crucial ingredient..... controversial!!!
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I've had excellent results with turmeric but I also don't add black pepper. I do add oil though.
 
I am surprised ordinary oil is giving a good result as it is inflammatory not anti inflammatory hence using linseed coconut or olive oil which are all anti inflam
Mine get linseed anyway so it was easy to add the turmeric and the pepper
 
I am just about to start my horse on turmeric. Can you mix it up in advance, eg, make up enough for a week using the fresh ingredients? I was thinking of making it up in a jam jar and then feeding a tablespoon a day.
 
I started feeding it a couple of weeks ago. I mix up turmeric and extra virgin olive oil in a pot - about 5 days worth. Morning and evening feed I put a heaped teaspoon into a mug with about six turns of black pepper from pepper mill. Then I add boiling water and stir until dissolved. I then add this with additional water to my dry soft and soak ready mash and soak for five minutes. I haven't ridden since I started it so not sure if it's helping or not. Also not sure if my way of doing it will work or if I am feeding enough!
 
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