TURNERS ABBATOIR - RED LION

Crazy horse lady said:
I believe Turner purposely goes to market to buy horses for meat. The ferral ones, could they not be shot by the hounds, they do it for free, and then take the bodies for meat for the hounds. The pets, again shoot them at home? give them to the hounds. And I know what you are going to say, there are thousands of unwanted horses. This issue/discussion could go round and round for ever.
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Sorry but I assume you mean the Hunt? They no longer do it for free since the hunt ban you have to pay to have them come out, around here it is £200 but cheaper than the vet who is £600 but that does include disposal costs.

I sincerely think you should have the correct facts at your fingertips otherwise you cannot actually argue your case.

I am another who does not want to see abattoirs go, but I do think this particular abattoir should be fined/prosecuted and more effort made to ensure that welfare conditions are maintained.
 
Crazy horse lady said:
Ask yourself this, where are the horses going to go for slaughter, when Turners does shut down, when he gets the planning permission for his 5 residential dwellings? There are 7 other horse slaughter houses in the UK, who probably do a better job than this place.
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Just correcting your facts again, if Turners close there are only 2 other slaughterhouses licensed to slaughter horses, Potters is one and I am unsure as to the other.

ETA: Oh and Potters already have a waiting list, that is WITH the Red Lion open.
 
Crazy horse lady said:
How about ppl geld the stallions of these horses that are left in fields to stop the over breeding.
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What "ppl" do you propose do that? :confused:

The owners of such horses as I think you mean (neglected, possibly fly grazing) clearly don't want to because of the cost and the fact they want them to have foals fro them to sell.

So are you suggesting people who don't own them round them up and geld them without the owners consent? :eek: How would that work? :confused:
 
Amaranta said:
Just correcting your facts again, if Turners close there are only 2 other slaughterhouses licensed to slaughter horses, Potters is one and I am unsure as to the other.

ETA: Oh and Potters already have a waiting list, that is WITH the Red Lion open.
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The other active one is Peter Boddy in West Yorkshire and there are a couple of others that are licenced to Slaughter Horses but not sure if they active one is in Devon and the other is in Chester.

WE NEED MORE! PROPERLY REGULATED!
 
Amaranta said:
Sorry but I assume you mean the Hunt? They no longer do it for free since the hunt ban you have to pay to have them come out, around here it is £200 but cheaper than the vet who is £600 but that does include disposal costs.

I sincerely think you should have the correct facts at your fingertips otherwise you cannot actually argue your case.

I am another who does not want to see abattoirs go, but I do think this particular abattoir should be fined/prosecuted and more effort made to ensure that welfare conditions are maintained.
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Yes I do mean the hunt.

I will endeavour to get my correct facts for future reference.

I do not want to see horse abattoirs abolished. I do want Turners to be prosecuted and all other horse slaughter houses (and other slaughter houses) to have CCTV installed.
 
Bertieb123 said:
The other active one is Peter Boddy in West Yorkshire and there are a couple of others that are licenced to Slaughter Horses but not sure if they active one is in Devon and the other is in Chester.

WE NEED MORE! PROPERLY REGULATED!
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Thanks, it appears the other two are not active as, looking at the FSA figures they only mention 3.

AMEN to your last paragraph
 
FionaM12 said:
What "ppl" do you propose do that? :confused:

The owners of such horses as I think you mean (neglected, possibly fly grazing) clearly don't want to because of the cost and the fact they want them to have foals fro them to sell.

So are you suggesting people who don't own them round them up and geld them without the owners consent? :eek: How would that work? :confused:
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I am aware that this practice is rife. And I am aware that ppl breed, with intent to purposely sell for horse meat. :o I am making my point to the ppl who have acres of land with horses on that they think they are looking after when in fact they are too daft to know they are causing more harm than good. As in the recent neglect case of Spindles farm, also the two ladies from Crediton in Devon, also the owners f Ebony and Lily, also the man up the road from me who breeds from a sorry state of mares, also the poor gypsy vanners, also etcetera etcetera etcetera.
 
Amaranta said:
Thanks, it appears the other two are not active as, looking at the FSA figures they only mention 3.

AMEN to your last paragraph
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Congratulations to you, you are right. It appears there are only 3 licensed to kill horses, one for each end of the country.

Turners - Nantwich.
Potters - Devon.
Peter Boddy - West Yorkshire.


However there may be a couple of other who do it off the wagon, allegedly.
 
P.S. if you are a Cheshire lass like me, you will have heard of the grim goings on at Turners. These stories are years old. Hence the tip off to Hillside to go through the trouble of putting the cameras in there. Even if the place is not shut down at least it may educate some ppl into the reality of horse slaughter. And help them understand there is an alternative to the "knackers yard".
 
Tax&Giz NOT SEEN ANYONE ON HERE SAY THEY CONDONE ANY WEFARE BREECHES :confused: JUST A HEALTHY DISSCUSSION WHERE PEOPLE HAVE AIRED THEIR VIEWS, AND SUGGESTED WAY'S IF TURNERS STAYS OPEN TO SEE THAT THE ISSUES HIGHLIGHTED DON'T HAPPEN AGAIN! OK MOST DON'T KNOW TURNERS ARE A NASTY PIECE OF WORK BUT THEY ARE STILL OPERATING!

THE ONLY THING I HAVE SEEN PEOPLE FOR AND PEOPLE AGAINST IS MORE WELL RUN AND REGULATED HORSE ABATTOIRS. NOT HAVE I EVER SEEN ANYONE CONDONE ABUSE OF ANY ANIMAL:mad:
 
Tax & Giz, NO ONE on here has said they condone the welfare breeches.

However you will find that people on here, along with all those truly concerned about animal welfare, see slaughterhouses as a necessary evil and DO NOT want to see horse slaughter banned outright.
 
tax&giz said:
p.s you are so wrong about there only being 3 lol
why not do you research before posting crap ?
google can be a good tool if you have the brain to use it !!
for weeks i have come across idiots who comment on assumptions not facts.
you lot would be happy to watch that footage then take your horses to this dump ?
well did you no that footage was over 80 days .. 120 hrs of film ?
not the 3 mins shown on sky ..
after the fsa investigation it will show how wrong you all are ..
absolutely clueless !! why not go muck out, or do something constructive with your time ?
instead of keyboard warriors who talk rubbish
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I DO ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT AND DONT NEED TO GOOGLE FACTS.

I HAVE SAID NUMEROUS TIMES IN PAST POSTS THE FSA ARE INVESTIGATING,AND DEFENDED OFFICIALS IN THESE PLACES,AND SAID WAIT TO SEE THE OUTCOME OF THE INVESTIGATION SO PERHAPS YOU SHOULD READ UP ON EVERYONES PAST POSTS ON THE MATTER BEFORE YOU START RANTING ON.

I HAVE DONE ALL MY MUCKING OUT HORSES AND OTHER LIVESTOCK, CLEANED MY HOUSE, AND COOKED DINNER (FROM SCRATCH)! CANNOT GET IN THE GARDEN OR WASH THE CAR BECAUSE OF SNOW SO INSTEAD I AM LOOKING AT AND TALKING RUBBISH!;)
 
tax&giz said:
p.s you are so wrong about there only being 3 lol
why not do you research before posting crap ?

Right back at ya - check out the FSA figures like your friend did
google can be a good tool if you have the brain to use it !!
for weeks i have come across idiots who comment on assumptions not facts.
see my previous comments
you lot would be happy to watch that footage then take your horses to this dump ?
well did you no that footage was over 80 days .. 120 hrs of film ?
not the 3 mins shown on sky ..
after the fsa investigation it will show how wrong you all are ..
absolutely clueless !! why not go muck out, or do something constructive with your time ?
instead of keyboard warriors who talk rubbish
:confused::eek:
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Not sure why you should think anyone on here condones the clear welfare breeches committed by Turners? Not one person has said they are right and I have actually stated I want to see them prosecuted for them so your rant has confused me :confused:

What people are actually saying is that there is a need for these slaughterhouses, but they MUST be highly regulated and have CCTV installed.

I am unsure how that makes us pro slaughter so would appreciate your comments on how you have come to this conclusion.

Thank you for your input
 
Amaranta said:
Not sure why you should think anyone on here condones the clear welfare breeches committed by Turners? Not one person has said they are right and I have actually stated I want to see them prosecuted for them so your rant has confused me :confused:

What people are actually saying is that there is a need for these slaughterhouses, but they MUST be highly regulated and have CCTV installed.

I am unsure how that makes us pro slaughter so would appreciate your comments on how you have come to this conclusion.

Thank you for your input
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I heart google and social networking for information, oh and the media, and word of mouth, or hear say.

Did you know about all the cruelty stuff? That is what is so frustrating.....

Please don't write in red, its such an aggressive colour.
 
Thay are not the same person, they are two people who want turners shut down. Won't name names as TFC might get a bit stroppy with me....

But, one of you means well, one of you is a bit potty!
 
tax&giz said:
p.s you are so wrong about there only being 3 lol
why not do you research before posting crap ?
google can be a good tool if you have the brain to use it !!
for weeks i have come across idiots who comment on assumptions not facts.
you lot would be happy to watch that footage then take your horses to this dump ?
well did you no that footage was over 80 days .. 120 hrs of film ?
not the 3 mins shown on sky ..
after the fsa investigation it will show how wrong you all are ..
absolutely clueless !! why not go muck out, or do something constructive with your time ?
instead of keyboard warriors who talk rubbish
:confused::eek:
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Join in with a discussion, by all means, but why be so aggressive?

The only difference that I can see, between stupidity and genius, is that stupidity has no bounds, and you are currently proving me right.

Take a deep breath, calm down, provide the evidence to support your statements, and there are those on here who may listen to you.

Alec.
 
Crazy horse lady said:
I heart google and social networking for information, oh and the media, and word of mouth, or hear say.

Did you know about all the cruelty stuff? That is what is so frustrating.....

Please don't write in red, its such an aggressive colour.
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Ahh bless you, so sorry that you find red aggressive, it was not meant to be, I used it to differentiate between my replies and the original posters statements, common practice - is blue better for you?
 
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