TURNERS ABBATOIR - RED LION

Amaranta said:
Not sure why you should think anyone on here condones the clear welfare breeches committed by Turners? Not one person has said they are right and I have actually stated I want to see them prosecuted for them so your rant has confused me :confused:

What people are actually saying is that there is a need for these slaughterhouses, but they MUST be highly regulated and have CCTV installed.

I am unsure how that makes us pro slaughter so would appreciate your comments on how you have come to this conclusion.

Thank you for your input
Click to expand...

Wondering if you should change your name to "I'm a ranter". Ha ha do you like that one Alec, hhhuuuummmm.
 
guido16 said:
You really are crazy. Aren't you. Mind you, you have proven that on the FB page.
Click to expand...

Yes I really am, hence my name. Clever aren't you seeing that I am on a different forum as well as this. It is no secret you know. One is entitled to go on any forum they chose.

And just so you know I am not on THE original mad horse savers forum. I do not agree with what they stand for.

Whats with all the cyber nit picking?
 
Crazy horse lady said:
Wondering if you should change your name to "I'm a ranter". Ha ha do you like that one Alec, hhhuuuummmm.
Click to expand...

You really are an idiot, I don't debate with idiots, I prefer to debate with someone who is in possession of the facts which you clearly are not. Now off you go back to your facebook page, run along now.
 
Crazy horse lady said:
I believe Turner purposely goes to market to buy horses for meat. The ferral ones, could they not be shot by the hounds, they do it for free, and then take the bodies for meat for the hounds. The pets, again shoot them at home? give them to the hounds. And I know what you are going to say, there are thousands of unwanted horses. This issue/discussion could go round and round for ever.
Click to expand...

Yes, I would say that :p and I would also say that the hunt incurs a cost. Sadly (tragically) some people do not have the means to pay. Others are unwilling to, because they can get paid by the slaughterhouse, and they would travel to other parts of the country or abroad to seek payment. :(

Amaranta said:
Oh don't be silly Natch, obviously the mad lounge woman would buy them all
Click to expand...

Oh DUUUH I forgot about her and her endless space and funds :p

tax&giz said:
p.s you are so wrong about there only being 3 lol
why not do you research before posting crap ?
google can be a good tool if you have the brain to use it !!
for weeks i have come across idiots who comment on assumptions not facts.
you lot would be happy to watch that footage then take your horses to this dump ?
well did you no that footage was over 80 days .. 120 hrs of film ?
not the 3 mins shown on sky ..
after the fsa investigation it will show how wrong you all are ..
absolutely clueless !! why not go muck out, or do something constructive with your time ?
instead of keyboard warriors who talk rubbish
:confused::eek:
Click to expand...

What type of research did you do before posting that us lot would be happy to take our horses there?

The people involved in this discussion are not the clients of slaughterhouses.

120 hours of video and only 3 minutes made public? Perhaps 117 minutes were not in breach of any regulations. Perhaps they were, we dont know because we haven't seen it.
 
You have my sympathy for doing such an awful job.[/QUOTE]

I don't do an awful job. I ensure that animals do not suffer. Part of that job involves putting them to sleep to end their suffering by either shooting them or injecting them. For me, that's a wonderful job.

Out of interest, what are you actively doing to try and change things about the situation you feel so passionately about? I assume that you extend these efforts to cattle/sheep/pig slaughterhouses also?

Crazy horse lady said:
P.S. if you are a Cheshire lass like me, you will have heard of the grim goings on at Turners. These stories are years old. Hence the tip off to Hillside to go through the trouble of putting the cameras in there. Even if the place is not shut down at least it may educate some ppl into the reality of horse slaughter. And help them understand there is an alternative to the "knackers yard".
Click to expand...

What is the reality of horse slaughter?
 
Last edited:
Amaranta said:
CHL seems to think that everyone will have their horses pts at home by the vet or the hunt. she also seems to think that people do not know that these two methods exist.
Click to expand...

I had read that earlier - but hadn't taken it as a serious proposal, tbh.:o
 
Amaranta said:
CHL seems to think that everyone will have their horses pts at home by the vet or the hunt. she also seems to think that people do not know that these two methods exist.

Bit insulting really
Click to expand...

Well, I for one wish everyone would have their horses put down at home, I hate to think of their last journeys and situation in an abattoir.

Don't forget how many people come on here not knowing anything about put down methods or availability so I don't see it as insulting as there are far too many now that take on horses that shouldn't even look after a spider; there are an awful lot of ignorant owners about now, that can't be disputed, more's the pity.
 
Amaranta said:
CHL seems to think that everyone will have their horses pts at home by the vet or the hunt. she also seems to think that people do not know that these two methods exist.

Bit insulting really
Click to expand...

No, she doesn't say we should pts sleep at home, she says we should "murder" them at home. :rolleyes:

Crazy horse lady said:
So to summarise murder your horse at home!!!!
Click to expand...
;):D:D
 
Maesfen said:
Well, I for one wish everyone would have their horses put down at home, I hate to think of their last journeys and situation in an abattoir.

Don't forget how many people come on here not knowing anything about put down methods or availability so I don't see it as insulting as there are far too many now that take on horses that shouldn't even look after a spider; there are an awful lot of ignorant owners about now, that can't be disputed, more's the pity.
Click to expand...

THank you....I know a lot of chaps think Im silly, but do you know what I don't really care. I have learnt so much from this horse meat and Turners scandal. And I am also aware that some people do not realise the issues, the breaches of welfare, the cruelty, the alternatives of disposing of a horse, the breaking of the law. And if my bombastic silly rants alert a few people to these issues, then I am very happy with that.
 
Crazy horse lady said:
I am not an idiot, you are very insulting and extremely rude. :(
Click to expand...

You took my perfectly polite post and assumed I was being rude, at that time I was not, the red writing was merely to distinguish between my replies to the original posters statements not surprising I was snarky to you under the circumstances.

If you don't like reactions please don't post to provoke them.
 
Moomin1 said:
You have my sympathy for doing such an awful job.
Click to expand...

I don't do an awful job. I ensure that animals do not suffer. Part of that job involves putting them to sleep to end their suffering by either shooting them or injecting them. For me, that's a wonderful job.

Out of interest, what are you actively doing to try and change things about the situation you feel so passionately about? I assume that you extend these efforts to cattle/sheep/pig slaughterhouses also?



What is the reality of horse slaughter?[/QUOTE]

My quote is directed at your job in terms of ending a life, to me that would be a hard thing to do. And if you are putting the animal down for reasons of suffering then that is absolutely the right thing to do.

I am passionate about the welfare of all animals bred for the table, ie cows, sheep, etc. I believe they should have a healthy and outdoor rearing, with as less drug intervention as possible, ie growth hormones. They should have a slaughter at a local abattoir, even better in a mobile abattoir (Abachem Engineering). So as to reduce mileage also less stress for the animals. There should be CCTV to monitor the process, to hopefully reduce the abuse on these animals (as per footage I have seen).

I would like people to buy british products and not rubbish from abroad, we have thousands of sheep in the UK why import from NZ.

I would like to eat a duck that has swam in a pond.

I would like all the ducks and pheasant that are shot in the season to be eaten in the UK instead of abroad.

I would like people to realise its not that more expensive to buy from a local butchers, you know what you are eating. And it supports our local economy.

I would like people to realise what they are actually eating, and what is in a stock cube, jelly sweets. Google it. NO wonder some people get tummy ache eating certain things. I also wonder if people know what they are actually feeding their dogs? dried or wet dog food. I make my own dog food.....

I want people to realise how lazy as a society we have become and dependant on supermarkets.

I want Turners to be shut and all operations suspended until all investigations have finalised. I want them to be prosecuted for the years of abuse and cruelty.

I want a regulated and monitored, correct horse slaughter system.

I want people to realise that its very expensive to own a horse and a lot of responsibility. And at the end of its day, put it to sleep at home.

I want people let people know there are other ways of getting rid of your horse rather than send it to an abattoir.

I want people to stop breeding for meat.

I want the gangs in Ireland, Russia and Eastern Europe to stop their cruelty and vile meat trade. I want the Russians to realise that you can actually kill a horse with one bullet (if you are a good shot) instead of repeatedly smacking it in the head with an axe. I want the horses to be slaughtered in Europe on their door steps, instead of transported thousands of miles to be killed, just because the Italians like their meat to be fresh and bloody not frozen.

I want ports on the East cost to be monitored for export of our beautiful native ponies. Which are bought by the French and Germans pretending to be bought for riding schools. And they are actually being slaughtered and mixed in with our food.

I would like to see our native ponies round up and some of them gelded. Perhaps our v rich celabs could pay for this?

I would also like a Bayliner 642 Cuddy.......:D
 
Last edited:
Natch said:
Yes, I would say that :p and I would also say that the hunt incurs a cost. Sadly (tragically) some people do not have the means to pay. Others are unwilling to, because they can get paid by the slaughterhouse, and they would travel to other parts of the country or abroad to seek payment. :(



Oh DUUUH I forgot about her and her endless space and funds :p



What type of research did you do before posting that us lot would be happy to take our horses there?

The people involved in this discussion are not the clients of slaughterhouses.

120 hours of video and only 3 minutes made public? Perhaps 117 minutes were not in breach of any regulations. Perhaps they were, we dont know because we haven't seen it.
Click to expand...

To me and a lot of people its quite simple, you have a horse, its going to cost a lot of money to end its life, you save up for that day. Would you send a faithful old dog to its death if their was a doggy equivalent of Turners?
 
Crazy horse lady said:
To me and a lot of people its quite simple, you have a horse, its going to cost a lot of money to end its life, you save up for that day. Would you send a faithful old dog to its death if their was a doggy equivalent of Turners?
Click to expand...

I don't think anyone would disagree with you at all.

But as has been said countless times, you have to address the over breeding before you'll address stock going to slaughter.
 
Crazy horse lady said:
I don't do an awful job. I ensure that animals do not suffer. Part of that job involves putting them to sleep to end their suffering by either shooting them or injecting them. For me, that's a wonderful job.

Out of interest, what are you actively doing to try and change things about the situation you feel so passionately about? I assume that you extend these efforts to cattle/sheep/pig slaughterhouses also?



What is the reality of horse slaughter?
Click to expand...

My quote is directed at your job in terms of ending a life, to me that would be a hard thing to do. And if you are putting the animal down for reasons of suffering then that is absolutely the right thing to do.

I am passionate about the welfare of all animals bred for the table, ie cows, sheep, etc. I believe they should have a healthy and outdoor rearing, with as less drug intervention as possible, ie growth hormones. They should have a slaughter at a local abattoir, even better in a mobile abattoir (Abachem Engineering). So as to reduce mileage also less stress for the animals. There should be CCTV to monitor the process, to hopefully reduce the abuse on these animals (as per footage I have seen).

I would like people to buy british products and not rubbish from abroad, we have thousands of sheep in the UK why import from NZ.

I would like to eat a duck that has swam in a pond.

I would like all the ducks and pheasant that are shot in the season to be eaten in the UK instead of abroad.

I would like people to realise its not that more expensive to buy from a local butchers, you know what you are eating. And it supports our local economy.

I would like people to realise what they are actually eating, and what is in a stock cube, jelly sweets. Google it. NO wonder some people get tummy ache eating certain things. I also wonder if people know what they are actually feeding their dogs? dried or wet dog food. I make my own dog food.....

I want people to realise how lazy as a society we have become and dependant on supermarkets.

I want Turners to be shut and all operations suspended until all investigations have finalised. I want them to be prosecuted for the years of abuse and cruelty.

I want a regulated and monitored, correct horse slaughter system.

I want people to realise that its very expensive to own a horse and a lot of responsibility. And at the end of its day, put it to sleep at home.

I want people let people know there are other ways of getting rid of your horse rather than send it to an abattoir.

I want people to stop breeding for meat.

I want the gangs in Ireland, Russia and Eastern Europe to stop their cruelty and vile meat trade. I want the Russians to realise that you can actually kill a horse with one bullet (if you are a good shot) instead of repeatedly smacking it in the head with an axe. I want the horses to be slaughtered in Europe on their door steps, instead of transported thousands of miles to be killed, just because the Italians like their meat to be fresh and bloody not frozen.

I want ports on the East cost to be monitored for export of our beautiful native ponies. Which are bought by the French and Germans pretending to be bought for riding schools. And they are actually being slaughtered and mixed in with our food.

I would like to see our native ponies round up and some of them gelded. Perhaps our v rich celabs could pay for this?

I would also like a Bayliner 642 Cuddy.......:D[/QUOTE]

Which is exactly what I would like to see together with most of the people on this thread?

I don't really understand why you are preaching to the converted?

PS: Replied in blue this time as your text ran into mine
 
Crazy horse lady said:
I don't do an awful job. I ensure that animals do not suffer. Part of that job involves putting them to sleep to end their suffering by either shooting them or injecting them. For me, that's a wonderful job.

Out of interest, what are you actively doing to try and change things about the situation you feel so passionately about? I assume that you extend these efforts to cattle/sheep/pig slaughterhouses also?



What is the reality of horse slaughter?
Click to expand...

My quote is directed at your job in terms of ending a life, to me that would be a hard thing to do. And if you are putting the animal down for reasons of suffering then that is absolutely the right thing to do.

I am passionate about the welfare of all animals bred for the table, ie cows, sheep, etc. I believe they should have a healthy and outdoor rearing, with as less drug intervention as possible, ie growth hormones. They should have a slaughter at a local abattoir, even better in a mobile abattoir (Abachem Engineering). So as to reduce mileage also less stress for the animals. There should be CCTV to monitor the process, to hopefully reduce the abuse on these animals (as per footage I have seen).

I would like people to buy british products and not rubbish from abroad, we have thousands of sheep in the UK why import from NZ.

I would like to eat a duck that has swam in a pond.

I would like all the ducks and pheasant that are shot in the season to be eaten in the UK instead of abroad.

I would like people to realise its not that more expensive to buy from a local butchers, you know what you are eating. And it supports our local economy.

I would like people to realise what they are actually eating, and what is in a stock cube, jelly sweets. Google it. NO wonder some people get tummy ache eating certain things. I also wonder if people know what they are actually feeding their dogs? dried or wet dog food. I make my own dog food.....

I want people to realise how lazy as a society we have become and dependant on supermarkets.

I want Turners to be shut and all operations suspended until all investigations have finalised. I want them to be prosecuted for the years of abuse and cruelty.

I want a regulated and monitored, correct horse slaughter system.

I want people to realise that its very expensive to own a horse and a lot of responsibility. And at the end of its day, put it to sleep at home.

I want people let people know there are other ways of getting rid of your horse rather than send it to an abattoir.

I want people to stop breeding for meat.

I want the gangs in Ireland, Russia and Eastern Europe to stop their cruelty and vile meat trade. I want the Russians to realise that you can actually kill a horse with one bullet (if you are a good shot) instead of repeatedly smacking it in the head with an axe. I want the horses to be slaughtered in Europe on their door steps, instead of transported thousands of miles to be killed, just because the Italians like their meat to be fresh and bloody not frozen.

I want ports on the East cost to be monitored for export of our beautiful native ponies. Which are bought by the French and Germans pretending to be bought for riding schools. And they are actually being slaughtered and mixed in with our food.

I would like to see our native ponies round up and some of them gelded. Perhaps our v rich celabs could pay for this?

I would also like a Bayliner 642 Cuddy.......:D[/QUOTE]

Also to promote my findings, to highlight alternatives I have printed off petitions for various campaigns and asked ppl to sign them. I have also been in various newspapers and on various TV news programmes (with others) and I was also on BBC radio.
 
Amaranta said:
My quote is directed at your job in terms of ending a life, to me that would be a hard thing to do. And if you are putting the animal down for reasons of suffering then that is absolutely the right thing to do.

I am passionate about the welfare of all animals bred for the table, ie cows, sheep, etc. I believe they should have a healthy and outdoor rearing, with as less drug intervention as possible, ie growth hormones. They should have a slaughter at a local abattoir, even better in a mobile abattoir (Abachem Engineering). So as to reduce mileage also less stress for the animals. There should be CCTV to monitor the process, to hopefully reduce the abuse on these animals (as per footage I have seen).

I would like people to buy british products and not rubbish from abroad, we have thousands of sheep in the UK why import from NZ.

I would like to eat a duck that has swam in a pond.

I would like all the ducks and pheasant that are shot in the season to be eaten in the UK instead of abroad.

I would like people to realise its not that more expensive to buy from a local butchers, you know what you are eating. And it supports our local economy.

I would like people to realise what they are actually eating, and what is in a stock cube, jelly sweets. Google it. NO wonder some people get tummy ache eating certain things. I also wonder if people know what they are actually feeding their dogs? dried or wet dog food. I make my own dog food.....

I want people to realise how lazy as a society we have become and dependant on supermarkets.

I want Turners to be shut and all operations suspended until all investigations have finalised. I want them to be prosecuted for the years of abuse and cruelty.

I want a regulated and monitored, correct horse slaughter system.

I want people to realise that its very expensive to own a horse and a lot of responsibility. And at the end of its day, put it to sleep at home.

I want people let people know there are other ways of getting rid of your horse rather than send it to an abattoir.

I want people to stop breeding for meat.

I want the gangs in Ireland, Russia and Eastern Europe to stop their cruelty and vile meat trade. I want the Russians to realise that you can actually kill a horse with one bullet (if you are a good shot) instead of repeatedly smacking it in the head with an axe. I want the horses to be slaughtered in Europe on their door steps, instead of transported thousands of miles to be killed, just because the Italians like their meat to be fresh and bloody not frozen.

I want ports on the East cost to be monitored for export of our beautiful native ponies. Which are bought by the French and Germans pretending to be bought for riding schools. And they are actually being slaughtered and mixed in with our food.

I would like to see our native ponies round up and some of them gelded. Perhaps our v rich celabs could pay for this?

I would also like a Bayliner 642 Cuddy.......:D
Click to expand...

Which is exactly what I would like to see together with most of the people on this thread?

I don't really understand why you are preaching to the converted?

PS: Replied in blue this time as your text ran into mine[/QUOTE]

Yes I know it is. Some one asked.
 
Amaranta said:
You took my perfectly polite post and assumed I was being rude, at that time I was not, the red writing was merely to distinguish between my replies to the original posters statements not surprising I was snarky to you under the circumstances.

If you don't like reactions please don't post to provoke them.
Click to expand...

Originally Posted by Amaranta
You really are an idiot, I don't debate with idiots, I prefer to debate with someone who is in possession of the facts which you clearly are not. Now off you go back to your facebook page, run along now.

I am referring to this...........
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top