Tiggy1
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I don't have access to a school but when trying to lunge my mare she has started turning in to the centre.
Any suggestions to keep her out?
Any suggestions to keep her out?
Turning in on the lunge
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parsley
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Use two lunge lines - your normal one nad one running from her bit, through your stirrup or roller strap and behind her quarters. When she turns in towards you just pull on the outside line and push her forwards. My children's pony used to do this - his face was a picture when he found he couldn't turn in
Tiggy1
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I guess hers will be too!!
SHe can be a bit of a dragon when she wants!!
SHe can be a bit of a dragon when she wants!!
dixie
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Also, you could try making a box of poles as it can help keep them out, whilst you stay in the box - don't fall over the poles though !
mickey
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A lot of this may well be due to how you are positioning yourself. When I lunge my horse I stand at a 45 degree angle to his head, pointing the whip directly towards his hindquarters and with my shoulders and body upright and looking again directly at him in a 'driving' type pose.
If you get too far ahead of your horse (too near her head rather than behind her) you may well be giving her the message to stop. Similarly if your body language is not assertive enough. If you think your horse will turn in at any particular moment wiggle the lunge whip towards his head, in an attempt to keep him out.
Your body position and voice and mannerisms are key to keeping your horse out on the lunge.
If you get too far ahead of your horse (too near her head rather than behind her) you may well be giving her the message to stop. Similarly if your body language is not assertive enough. If you think your horse will turn in at any particular moment wiggle the lunge whip towards his head, in an attempt to keep him out.
Your body position and voice and mannerisms are key to keeping your horse out on the lunge.
_l_i_z_
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ill second the two lines, works a treat, altho proves a bit hard to hold lunge whip too!!
happihorse
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We used to have a mare that did this. She used to stop, turn in at you and then when you tried to send her forward she would turn away and double barrell you! We tried making a box out of poles to stand in while we lunged her, but she was such a grump that she just ran through them, smashing a poly block that was in the way.
We did long line lunge her (ie one line through the insider bit and stirrup and the other from the outside bit, through the stirrup and round her bum) which helped a lot, but she would still try it on.
Incidentally she was an absolute star to ride but a grumpy old madam in the stable!
We did long line lunge her (ie one line through the insider bit and stirrup and the other from the outside bit, through the stirrup and round her bum) which helped a lot, but she would still try it on.
Incidentally she was an absolute star to ride but a grumpy old madam in the stable!
bex1984
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My pony does this, drives me mad! At some point I'm going to try lunging with 2 lines, but I struggle with lunging so am not ready for that yet!!
In his case, he knows exactly what he's supposed to be doing as he does it perfectly on one rein, but he always turns in on the other. I stand slightly back from his shoulders and start off on quite a tight circle, I keep after him; the minute I think he might turn in I push him forward (however, I do totally trust him not to kick). If he does manage to turn in I wiggle the lunge line, wave my arms and tell him off so that he thinks it would be less hassle to just keep going round!!
In his case, he knows exactly what he's supposed to be doing as he does it perfectly on one rein, but he always turns in on the other. I stand slightly back from his shoulders and start off on quite a tight circle, I keep after him; the minute I think he might turn in I push him forward (however, I do totally trust him not to kick). If he does manage to turn in I wiggle the lunge line, wave my arms and tell him off so that he thinks it would be less hassle to just keep going round!!
Shilasdair
Patting her thylacine
As soon as she starts to turn, I'd step (aggressive body stance) towards her shoulder/girth area, pointing the whip there and saying 'out' or 'over' and send her strongly forward.
It's an evasion to work...although if they've done Join Up horses seem a bit more prone to getting confused about what they are meant to do.
Good luck
S
It's an evasion to work...although if they've done Join Up horses seem a bit more prone to getting confused about what they are meant to do.
Good luck
S
Tia
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It's not always an evasion to work; it's very often incorrect understanding from the person who is lunging the horse now.
My horses are ALL taught to turn in and face me when I have asked them to halt. The reason they are taught this is for me to give them the command to turn and go in the opposite direction. I don't lunge on a line, I free lunge and most people who free lunge will teach their horse to do the same. My horses are not allowed to come right into the centre, only to turn in and face me.
I am not sure if the poster is meaning that the horse comes into the circle when it is moving or whether this only happens once the horse halts? If it comes in whilst moving then yes I agree, depending on how well your horse is trained, you need either your arm or a whip to point at the horse and ask the horse to move out again. However if it is just turning in at halt then it has likely been trained like this, or it is asking/telling you to quit!
My horses are ALL taught to turn in and face me when I have asked them to halt. The reason they are taught this is for me to give them the command to turn and go in the opposite direction. I don't lunge on a line, I free lunge and most people who free lunge will teach their horse to do the same. My horses are not allowed to come right into the centre, only to turn in and face me.
I am not sure if the poster is meaning that the horse comes into the circle when it is moving or whether this only happens once the horse halts? If it comes in whilst moving then yes I agree, depending on how well your horse is trained, you need either your arm or a whip to point at the horse and ask the horse to move out again. However if it is just turning in at halt then it has likely been trained like this, or it is asking/telling you to quit!
Shilasdair
Patting her thylacine
People don't usually free lunge in the UK cos we tend not to have lunge arena's to do it..especially at livery yards...
Yes, some horses are trained to turn in and er...turn...but this sounds more like an evasion as the OP doesn't seem happy with it?
S
Yes, some horses are trained to turn in and er...turn...but this sounds more like an evasion as the OP doesn't seem happy with it?
S
Tia
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Oh. Round pens were very common where I lived in the UK. My own yard had one too.
Well horses do lots of things that owners aren't happy about - it isn't always the fault of the horse....
Well horses do lots of things that owners aren't happy about - it isn't always the fault of the horse....
Shilasdair
Patting her thylacine
You are just special Tia...but you knew that already
And I am not happy that my 2yo has learnt how to disconnect electric fencing from the battery....are you saying this is MY fault???
How dare you?!
S
And I am not happy that my 2yo has learnt how to disconnect electric fencing from the battery....are you saying this is MY fault???
How dare you?!
S
Tia
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I never really thought I was anything special till I came on HHO, but you know after being here for a few years I think you may well be right.
Now as to your 2 year old - well what can I say? Perhaps you need to take the unit and housing wires out to the other side of the fence? Then he won't be able to reach it.
Now as to your 2 year old - well what can I say? Perhaps you need to take the unit and housing wires out to the other side of the fence? Then he won't be able to reach it.
Shilasdair
Patting her thylacine
Ha. I had thought of that...then she disconnects the crocodile clip attaching it to the fence.
Failing that she lifts all the fence posts up in a line with her teeth then drops them flat...and steps through the two lines of electric fencing (now conveniently flat on the ground) to get to the long grass.
I had considered connecting her ears to the mains - good plan?
S
PS Sorry to hijack lunging post
Failing that she lifts all the fence posts up in a line with her teeth then drops them flat...and steps through the two lines of electric fencing (now conveniently flat on the ground) to get to the long grass.
I had considered connecting her ears to the mains - good plan?
S
PS Sorry to hijack lunging post
Tia
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No you aren't getting what I mean; take the electric wire outside of the field to another insulator....so that there is a live wire on the outer side of your fence posts and connect the croc clips out there, rather than directly onto any part which is serving as a fence. So you have an extension of electric wire which is not serving any other purpose than to keep neddy away from croc clip. I do this on any electric fencing I install too....does this make me extra special.
Shilasdair
Patting her thylacine
Ok, ok we know you are special. Now work on 'modesty'.
Yeah, I know what you mean but that doesn't stop the b***er from laying the fence flat...she can do that whilst it is on without getting a shock.
She is cunningly demonically clever, sadly for me.
S
Yeah, I know what you mean but that doesn't stop the b***er from laying the fence flat...she can do that whilst it is on without getting a shock.
She is cunningly demonically clever, sadly for me.
S
Tia
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Wooden posts....there's your answer!
Forget about modesty, honesty is far better; I know what I know what I know, can't help it
- you were the one who told me I was special, you enlightened me and for that I thank you.
Forget about modesty, honesty is far better; I know what I know what I know, can't help it
Shilasdair
Patting her thylacine
Don't you mean stakes as in 'through her heart'?
And don't thank me, 'enlightening' folk is my business. Not everyone is gifted with my great intellect...and I like to share.
S
And don't thank me, 'enlightening' folk is my business. Not everyone is gifted with my great intellect...and I like to share.
S
the watcher
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When you have quite finished.......
back to lunging.
This sounds like an evasion and your horse has decided it much prefers one direction to the other..so when you are lunging on the rein that neddy doesn't like, fit a loose side rein to the outside bit ring, not tight enough to force the horse's head out, but tight enough that it will prevent turning in - and then keep driving the horse forward
back to lunging.
This sounds like an evasion and your horse has decided it much prefers one direction to the other..so when you are lunging on the rein that neddy doesn't like, fit a loose side rein to the outside bit ring, not tight enough to force the horse's head out, but tight enough that it will prevent turning in - and then keep driving the horse forward
Shilasdair
Patting her thylacine
Sorry Tiggy, and the_Watcher,
But you know how vain that Tia can be...always talking about herself....
Lunge aids should be the same as ridden aids - if horse falling in you'd use your inside leg on the girth, so look at the girth and point your lunge whip there....if coming thru inside shoulder, point whip there etc.
S
But you know how vain that Tia can be...always talking about herself....
Lunge aids should be the same as ridden aids - if horse falling in you'd use your inside leg on the girth, so look at the girth and point your lunge whip there....if coming thru inside shoulder, point whip there etc.
S
Tia
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I'm not apologising....thread was hijacked whoopee-doo; it happens all the time and maybe someone learned something about electric fencing
.
As for me being vain, perhaps those with low self-esteem may imagine me to be (I would LOL at that
), all adds to the charm, intrigue and individuality of this place I guess.
As for me being vain, perhaps those with low self-esteem may imagine me to be (I would LOL at that
Shilasdair
Patting her thylacine
Maybe we can link electricity to the lunge problem - I know - an electric cattle prod?!
And you're so right Tia....you can obviously tell I suffer from low self esteem
But coming on here makes me feel so much better...(evil laugh)
S
And you're so right Tia....you can obviously tell I suffer from low self esteem
S
Tia
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PMSL!! Well I have to say, I have certainly never had you down as someone with low esteem, but I did enjoy your irony at the end
.....gosh as someone said the other day, we're "two peas in a pod!"
Shilasdair
Patting her thylacine
Ok, so I'm recovering from my issues with low self esteem
Did someone call you and I 'two peas in a pod'?
How insulting for me...I may sue for defamation.
S
Did someone call you and I 'two peas in a pod'?
How insulting for me...I may sue for defamation.
S
Tia
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Err no, it wasn't you and I, it was you and another....so really it should be "three peas in a pod" although that wouldn't be quite correct as I don't fit into the pod where you and the other person are.....I think you will have to be a Siamese pod-person - part of you in mine and part in theirs
.
Gosh poor old Tiggy - she'll be thrilled to see all these responses when she comes back on ...... only momentarily though eh?
Bless her, I'm sure she'll forgive us in the end.
Gosh poor old Tiggy - she'll be thrilled to see all these responses when she comes back on ...... only momentarily though eh?
Shilasdair
Patting her thylacine
Tia, you don't think we've upset the_Watcher, do you?
It's just that, at the age of 93, she can be a bit sensitive...especially when her support stockings are pinching.
S
It's just that, at the age of 93, she can be a bit sensitive...especially when her support stockings are pinching.
S
Tia
Well-Known Member
Nah, Watcher has been around the block a time or two
. She deals with naughty people all the time, so what's a couple more toe-rags?
Shilasdair
Patting her thylacine
Well, we tried to help regarding the lunging problem...until the_Watcher interrupted us...
S
S
JM07
Well-Known Member
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It's not always an evasion to work; it's very often incorrect understanding from the person who is lunging the horse now.
My horses are ALL taught to turn in and face me when I have asked them to halt. The reason they are taught this is for me to give them the command to turn and go in the opposite direction. I don't lunge on a line, I free lunge and most people who free lunge will teach their horse to do the same. My horses are not allowed to come right into the centre, only to turn in and face me.
I am not sure if the poster is meaning that the horse comes into the circle when it is moving or whether this only happens once the horse halts? If it comes in whilst moving then yes I agree, depending on how well your horse is trained, you need either your arm or a whip to point at the horse and ask the horse to move out again. However if it is just turning in at halt then it has likely been trained like this, or it is asking/telling you to quit!
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i also ask for a step in towards me at halt, as this usually signals that i'm going to come to them to either praise and or change the rein.
also, when the more "older hands" of lunging,,,which to be honest, i do very little of prefering to long line,,,have had enough, its something they do to say "thats it..i'm done now"!
It's not always an evasion to work; it's very often incorrect understanding from the person who is lunging the horse now.
My horses are ALL taught to turn in and face me when I have asked them to halt. The reason they are taught this is for me to give them the command to turn and go in the opposite direction. I don't lunge on a line, I free lunge and most people who free lunge will teach their horse to do the same. My horses are not allowed to come right into the centre, only to turn in and face me.
I am not sure if the poster is meaning that the horse comes into the circle when it is moving or whether this only happens once the horse halts? If it comes in whilst moving then yes I agree, depending on how well your horse is trained, you need either your arm or a whip to point at the horse and ask the horse to move out again. However if it is just turning in at halt then it has likely been trained like this, or it is asking/telling you to quit!
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i also ask for a step in towards me at halt, as this usually signals that i'm going to come to them to either praise and or change the rein.
also, when the more "older hands" of lunging,,,which to be honest, i do very little of prefering to long line,,,have had enough, its something they do to say "thats it..i'm done now"!