Two flatcoats on Pets4Homes for £50!

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Oh dear, can anything be done. They are in Brentford, Essex. Two male brothers, can't understand why they didn't contact the breed rescue.
 
Could you contact the breed rescue? I know lab rescue trawl the selling sites, but you so rarely see a flatcoat on there.
 
Yes, I am hoping Flatcoat rescue has been informed. The ad was on my flatcoat Facebook page, everyone was worried. Gorgeous picture of two flatcoat boys to be rehome daughter together. She said she would give the money to charity but cheap dogs go to unscrupulous people who could string her a tale.
 
Sorry, don't know how to post a picture, they were put on yesterday.
Just been in touch with flatcoat rescue and they are on the case, phew!
 
Flatcoated retriever rescue and rehoming is a truly excellent scheme run by a very hard working gentleman called Brian. as a breed we are truly lucky to have someone like him on the lookout for us. Yes there are people cashing in on flatcoats especially bitches.
The ad on pets 4 homes has now gone so I hope Brian has been able to offer help.
 
By 'cashing in' do you mean breeding? Surely there are worse fates than being a family pet with a litter of puppies?

I know nothing about the breed rescue chap, he may well do a very fine job indeed. I was just confused as to why these two needed 'rescuing' as opposed to going direct to another family home.
 
GirlFriday said:
By 'cashing in' do you mean breeding? Surely there are worse fates than being a family pet with a litter of puppies?

I know nothing about the breed rescue chap, he may well do a very fine job indeed. I was just confused as to why these two needed 'rescuing' as opposed to going direct to another family home.
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Think as a breed they can have health problems with their hips so hopefully they were neutered.
 
Isn't there cancer in some lines too? Free and cheap dogs my have a very unpleasant fate. People can be unscrupulous and will breed back to back, obviously boys are not as popular as bithces.
 
Yes there are worse fates than going off to be a cheap womb/cash generator but I personally think it's something that should be circumvented/prevented and good on any breed rescue.
 
Some very strange replies on here. I have had flatcoats for 40 years, all health tested with brilliant hip scores. I lost one in that time to bone cancer at the age of 9. No idea why the uninitiated say such derogatory things.
No one want dogs sold on cheap.
As far as I am concerned the story has a happy ending as Brian from the breed rescue has them to assess and rehome to a suitable owner.
 
Given that these were boys, and not of a massively fashionable breed, they aren't as likely to be used for that. But not all cheap dogs go to puppy farms. Plenty go to family homes. Where they may/may not be used for breeding.

I was under the illusion rescues took in rescues, not just cheap dogs. But hey ho.
 
GF these dogs needed rescuing, enough said. They would not have been bought by the breed rescue, they will be helping the owner find the correct type of home for a breed like this.
 
Chiffy said:
Some very strange replies on here. I have had flatcoats for 40 years, all health tested with brilliant hip scores. I lost one in that time to bone cancer at the age of 9. No idea why the uninitiated say such derogatory things.
No one want dogs sold on cheap.
As far as I am concerned the story has a happy ending as Brian from the breed rescue has them to assess and rehome to a suitable owner.
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Chfffy you should reply about RESPONSIBLE ckcs breeding... truly weird...:D ::D but at these two have a happy ending or I would have to take them on :)
 
GirlFriday said:
I was under the illusion rescues took in rescues, not just cheap dogs. But hey ho.
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does it matter? I think many of us might alert the breed rescue of 'our' breed if we saw such an ad. of course the dogs might be fine, then again they have a better chance of being fine if the rehoming is through a breed specific rescue-really dont see the harm tbh.
 
GirlFriday said:
Given that these were boys, and not of a massively fashionable breed, they aren't as likely to be used for that. But not all cheap dogs go to puppy farms. Plenty go to family homes. Where they may/may not be used for breeding.

I was under the illusion rescues took in rescues, not just cheap dogs. But hey ho.
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In a perfect world owners would care for their dogs to the end of their days but this is far from a perfect world. Just because the flatcoat isn't a fashionable breed doesn't make it any less likely to finish up in unscrupulous hands. On the other hand, they could be sold to a wonderful pet (or working) home.

One thing that's almost guaranteed though; if an owner is advertising adult dogs 'free to good home' or very cheap on Gumtree, Preloved etc, they want rid of them quickly and won't give a second thought to where they end up. These owners are well aware of dog rescues but choose NOT to contact them for a multitude of reasons.

Very pleased this story has a happy ending and the dogs can live the rest of their days in a suitable home.
 
MotherOfChickens said:
does it matter? I think many of us might alert the breed rescue of 'our' breed if we saw such an ad. of course the dogs might be fine, then again they have a better chance of being fine if the rehoming is through a breed specific rescue-really dont see the harm tbh.
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If rescues take in cheap dogs their limited resources cannot be stretched to cover all real rescue cases
If they take on cheap (but not rescue) dogs and rehome with a rather more substantial 'rehoming fee' they become dealers really don't they?
(no interest in flat coats myself so no idea what the 'rehoming fee' would be for these particular dogs, if any)
 
Girl Friday, you continue to wind me up. They haven't been bought in by a rescue and then rehomed for more money. The Flatcoated Retriever Society Rescue and rehoming doesn't work like that. I explained that above.
 
Chiffy said:
Girl Friday, you continue to wind me up. They haven't been bought in by a rescue and then rehomed for more money. The Flatcoated Retriever Society Rescue and rehoming doesn't work like that. I explained that above.
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There are some people you just have to skim their posts. Surely a breed specific rescue is there to assist all dogs of their breed to find new homes, be it 'rescue' or 'rehome'.
 
You said they wouldn't have been bought (as in paid for, but I think also not physically brought in), but not that any new owner would still only be paying 50.

As above I said it was a general point about rescues taking on cheap dogs, not specific to this breed.
 
Chiffy said:
Some very strange replies on here. I have had flatcoats for 40 years, all health tested with brilliant hip scores. I lost one in that time to bone cancer at the age of 9. No idea why the uninitiated say such derogatory things.
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Are you referring to my post? I have seen multiple comments regarding cancer in flat coat lines, not least from people on here.
http://thebark.com/content/beating-cancer-odds

http://www.thefield.co.uk/gundogs/flatcoated-retriever-flatcoats-fatal-flaw-39355

"the flatcoat has one serious drawback: cancer. Whenever I meet anyone working flatcoats, I ask them whether they have lost dogs to cancer and invariably the answer is yes. A long-running Cambridge University study found that half of all flatcoats will have contracted cancer by the age of eight, with many dying from the disease. The killer is usually malignant histiocytosis, a multi-system, rapidly progressive type of cancer."

https://terriermandotcom.blogspot.co.uk/2016/09/how-to-avoid-cancer-in-flat-coated.html

http://www.dogbreedhealth.com/flat-coated-retriever/
 
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No, it wasn't you, CM as I know you are a knowledgeable dog person, even if not about flatcoats. I almost took more exception to the 'hip' remark as flatcoats are health tested for hips like any other breed and all mine have excellent scores.
Having said that, I think the cancer business is exaggerated too and doesn't just apply to flatcoats.
Anyway, I adore the breed , they have given me much pleasure for many years and if they are not popular with others that is fine.
I am still very pleased the dogs that started this thread are in safe hands.
 
Byb don't hipscore. Yours might have good hips, but not every breeder scores. Poor hip scores won't stop unscrupulous people breeding and unless a potential buyer sees the correct paperwork, a breeder can claim hip scoring even when they're poor. I know the assured breeder scheme doesn't stop poorly scored dogs' progeny from being registered.
 
You can happily register puppies with the KC out of dogs with the highest possible score (106 I think it is).
The KC/BVA, unlike pretty much every other scheme in the world, merely 'recommends' breeding from animals scoring below the breed mean score.
There are no sanctions and no breeding bans.
Interestingly in my own breed anything over a total of 12 (no more than seven on one hip) would knock you into a breeding ban when compared to the German system.
That's from the BVA'S own comparison chart.
 
Chiffy said:
No, it wasn't you, CM as I know you are a knowledgeable dog person, even if not about flatcoats. I almost took more exception to the 'hip' remark as flatcoats are health tested for hips like any other breed and all mine have excellent scores.
Having said that, I think the cancer business is exaggerated too and doesn't just apply to flatcoats.
Anyway, I adore the breed , they have given me much pleasure for many years and if they are not popular with others that is fine.
I am still very pleased the dogs that started this thread are in safe hands.
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So your referring to my post then? I just wanted to make sure if anyone got them that they check they had been tested that is all. Like any breed of dog so lucky for them they are being rehomed by a breed rescue who can check these things out before hand.
 
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