Two horses die at Bramham

Dolly mix- amateur photographer with an iPhone here. Know how you felt I had pic of that horse jumping a fence (11 I think). To then walk round corner to see it in ditch (although couldn't see horse but could guess where it was from position of screens) was a shock. Apparently he had a heart attack over the first part which caused him to fall. At least it was over very quickly for him, and he won't have known anything about it. Also shocked at the people trying to get round the barriers for pictures.
 
How incredibly sad. My thoughts and condolences to all concerned with both horses. Lead the Way was one of my faves......

I can't believe that people want to see/photograph/film accidents like this. Is was at Burghley last year when Ollie T turned upside down at the dairymound (grey horse with a very foreign name that I'm not going to try to spell!). I walked away feeling sick, people were actually running to see what had happened. I cannot describe what I think of those people. An accident like Clea had yesterday results in private grief - the gawping public doesn't help.
 
I had thought I'd print it and send it to her in a sealed envelope with a letter telling what it is. She can then chose to see it if she wishes
 
A lovely thought Dollymix which I'm sure clea will appreciate. I can't believe people taking vids/ pics once it was obvious what was going on. Last year at badders I got a 'cracking' although very scary shot of camilla spier's mid fall but I didn't show it to anyone until I knew for certain both were unharmed as I didn't feel it was right to do otherwise.

Rip to two very talented horses who both thankfully went quickly doing what they loved. My thoughts are with their owners riders and all get connections
 
Old saying, "when you have livestock , you'll have dead stock" . sorry for all concerned that they lost their horses in such circumstances. It must be dreadful to lose one, when you think of all the one to one work put in to get them to that standard, that you are so close to. Unfortunately these things happen and as others have said, your horse doesn't have to be competing at top level for it to happen. I lost a two year old filly a few months back, she was cantering around a loose barn with five of her friends and she dropped dead. She spent last summer galloping around big fields with fifteen others and nothing happened her, you just never know with horses. Didn't postmortum her, vet said it happened so quickly and with no struggle that it had be a major burst of something connected with the heart and a pm would only cost money and wouldn't prevent it happening to another horse.
 
Thoughts are very much with Carol who bred Jack (Jagganath) he was her horse of a lifetime and I cant believe what has happened. Also to Clea and Vere it sounds like they were both heart related but will have post mortems.
 
And because I can't edit - sadly I saw that BBC link due to their scrolling news headline on the home page :(
 
Very sad for all connections, I feel for them.

FWIW, I agree with Silu, double standards indeed. Sympathies and understanding in this thread as it should be; nothing but condemnation on racing threads which is not fair to those concerned.
Where's the difference; both types of breeder, owners, trainers and riders plus grooms have lost horses, surely that should bind us all together not rip into people because of being different aspects of equine sport?
 
Just wanted to sympathize with the owners and riders and grooms of these two horses. I've been at several events when things like this have happened, and the winner of one of the US's biggest jumps races--the Iroquois steeplechase--dropped within minutes of completing the race only a month ago. It's gutwrenching for all concerned.

The vet wisdom over here is that horses do not have heart attacks (myocardial infarctions) in the way that humans do. The ones who die during and post exertion usually end up having had aneurysms somewhere in their bodies burst. Those aneurysms can be in arteries in many places in the body. I remember one UL eventer who died from an artery bursting near his stomach. These things are hidden killers, can't be found in normal examinations, and are far more prevalent in horses ten years old and older.

http://www.thehorse.com/ViewArticle.aspx?ID=5331
 
How very very sad. I've just got back - been there since Weds, and never heard a thing.

The ground was superb. On Thurs/Fri I was sure it would be cancelled, but we took the dogs a walk round some of the course this evening and there wasn't a mark on it, even after two days of XC.

Another thing to note is that the trot ups this morning were very thorough. Lots of horses were sent to the holding box to be double checked, and quite a few failed, so nothing was let out on that course that wasn't fit to be there...
 
So sad, RIP horses - read the BBC article and I think it actually (although terrible) is good than Ian Stark quoted in it mentioned the recent human athletes who have had unexpected heart attacks, might give people another perspective on horse sports, that it is not cruel, and that it is treated as a tragedy as it would be in any other sport.
 
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