types of horses that end up in parelli....

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has anyone else noticed lots of welsh cobs seem to end up in parelli??? why do you think that is??? because although flashy looking and strong they have a sensitive side and need tact - rather like a TB.....so the numpties get scared of them and whip out the tow rope and pratt stick. It's a crying shame, it really is.
 
broken arrow. here we go. first in. i think its the owners who end up in parelli rather than the horses!! boundaries, numpties, too much food and not enough work all spring to mind! but it you want to play with ropes etc on the floor its up to the individual. but hey ho not for me i like my horses to work!
 
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because Welshies have minds of their own, and need "serious" horse people...not the run-of-the-mill type of average owner that sems to be around lately....

IMO.."real" horse people are thin on the ground...

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Because they ARE sensitive as well as opionionated and often bulshy. It's a tricky combination.

I have the quirkiest welsh cob x who could so easily become a problem horse. And he'd probably be brilliant at parrelli and respond well. I just can't be bothered with the ridged (and expensive!) system it required.

Treating him like a 'normal' horse doesn't work for him. He just freaks at the silliest thing. I am the least 'fluffy' person ever, and have a very practical, manner-of-fact, and assertive method with horses that works well with all other horses. Idiotic horse can't be treated like that cos he just breaks down into a ball of quivering nerves. Believe me, I've tried (it would make life so much easier!), it just doesn't work. I still get done everything I want to do with him, but it often required much lateral thinking and alternative methods, which something like parrelli is good at.

Oh for a sensible, easy horse like my cob youngster.
 
Its probably the tank/bolshyness, for example if a horse pissed off when being caught at my yard my YO would just drag em down behind the quad bike till they got the message (which always works after a couple of times,) others may try parelli.
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for example if a horse pissed off when being caught at my yard my YO would just drag em down behind the quad bike till they got the message (which always works after a couple of times,)

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Whilst I'm aware you're joking somewhat, that kind of behaviour or attitude towards my welsh X would result in him quite literally killing himself or someone else. The rest of my lot would give in and stopping being silly after a while, Toby wouldn't. He's be completely unhandlable for weeks afterwards and take months and months to get over it.
 
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someone on HH suggested a gold fish in the wwater trough.! hear it works wonders!! joke................

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Wow!!! Can you do parelli on goldfish??? What a money spinner!!!
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for example if a horse pissed off when being caught at my yard my YO would just drag em down behind the quad bike till they got the message (which always works after a couple of times,)

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Whilst I'm aware you're joking somewhat, that kind of behaviour or attitude towards my welsh X would result in him quite literally killing himself or someone else. The rest of my lot would give in and stopping being silly after a while, Toby wouldn't. He's be completely unhandlable for weeks afterwards and take months and months to get over it.

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Yeah I understand that, this is normally reserved for purely bolshy fearless cobs. Wouldn't be carried out on any horse that was remotely nervous or fearful.
 
Funnily enough, two people on my yard have just started the dreaded P and were having a lesson tonight.

The TB looked bored and was complying but looked disinterested. The Welsh cob was not impressed with having a rope waggled at him and a carrot stick waved at his bum (I fail to see the difference between that and a lunge whip). He was just running around in circles, trying to change direction whenever he could and just looked annoyed and confused. I heard the teacher tutting and he was getting very frustrated that the cob wasn't reacting the way he should. I had to walk away in the end, couldn't watch it any longer...
 
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has anyone else noticed lots of welsh cobs seem to end up in parelli???

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No.
Not a PNH student by the way, but I used to be, and I used to work for them, and can hand on heart say that there was no particular breed appearing more than others at clinics.
There is a lot wrong with Parelli, but has it occured to anyone that they don't notice the horses and people who are getting it right? Why don't you have threads about the many people who are conventionally or BHS trained who are complete numpties around their horses?
p.s. Muffino, I don't think there are any male accredited PNH instructors in the UK who would be giving a short evening lesson to just a couple of people. But feel free to share the name of this instructor and prove me wrong.
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Maybe the problem at your yard was another Parelli-wanabee instructor.
 
I think it's because they are opinionated and need firm handling and tactful riding.
Being a native breed people assume they will be suitable for a novice rider most of the Welsh D's I know aren't suitable for a novice/nervous rider/handler and would just take the pee given half a chance hence there being so many labelled as problem or project horses.
Saying that I love my Welsh D.
 
I have seen three examples recently of 'Welsh Cob' syndrome. This is when weak ineffectual (female) riders go to see a Welsh that is for sale. They see a muscled cob with flashy paces and it is like a kid in a sweet shop 'ooohhhhh' they gasp open mouthed 'I want that one!'

After a week or two's ownership they suddenly realise they don't have the ability to ride or deal with their new purchase and rather than admit they have bought the wrong horse, their pride and ego says 'you'll be fine if you........' At this point I guess some 'riders of a certain age' will grasp the straw marked Parelli.
 
Types of horses that end up in parelli are those that the owners can't ride them so they look for something else that they can do with them in the name of 'training'.

Iwould not let anyone to do with parelli anywhere near my horses. Our welsh cob/tb mare would jump the moon, danced up the lane very very forward thinking, very sensitive, beautifully schooled, would have had a complete fit if I had waved a carrot stick at her, I would never ever have insulted her in that way. To me it's insulting to the horse.
 
Yes, that's it! Sadly, I have a bombproof as it comes cob for sale that people seem to want to do Parelli with.. (If they don't mess me about and actually bother to turn up that is).

Had one come today who said they liked her but thought she'd benefit from some Parelli because when she was in her stable she picked her feed bucket up and waved it and she was 'clearly under stimulated by her current workload'!


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I have seen three examples recently of 'Welsh Cob' syndrome. This is when weak ineffectual (female) riders go to see a Welsh that is for sale. They see a muscled cob with flashy paces and it is like a kid in a sweet shop 'ooohhhhh' they gasp open mouthed 'I want that one!'

After a week or two's ownership they suddenly realise they don't have the ability to ride or deal with their new purchase and rather than admit they have bought the wrong horse, their pride and ego says 'you'll be fine if you........' At this point I guess some 'riders of a certain age' will grasp the straw marked Parelli.

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That sounds very like the one I mentioned earlier...
 
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i wouldn't sell any of my horses/ponies to someone who had said they practiced "parelli"..i'd prefer to keep them here, and feed them through the winter.. rather than subject the poor buggers to that bollox...

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I have noticed that TB's always seem to end up doing this too... another example of bright and sensitive. Wave a "carrot" stick at my girl and watch her go garrity, I can't even lunge with a lunge whip, however wave a carrot at her and she will usually do as you ask
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someone on HH suggested a gold fish in the wwater trough.! hear it works wonders!! joke................

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Wow!!! Can you do parelli on goldfish??? What a money spinner!!!
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I witnessed someone trying to use Parelli on their goldfish.

It was amazing.............the person stared at the fish for about three minutes, whilst waggling her finger back and forth.

The fish stopped swimming, and started to stare back at the person.

After about another two minutes.........................the person started walking round in circles whilst opening and closing their mouth.
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People still underestimate Welsh Cobs, they're relatively cheap and capable of weight carrying so lots of people can get one - whether they will suit them or not.

They aren't kick along cobs by a long way, they have too much brains and are often quite complex.
 
The basic problem is that there are a lot of people with horses today who don't have a clue!! Then, when the horse doesn't do as they want they turn to Parelli and the Parelli business - in my opinion - is funded by a lot (not all) of inexperienced and ill-taught horsemen/women.
Cobs are strong willed and always have been and unless they have been brought on well then they may have behavioural issues. As will TB's, other natives, in fact most breeds of horse!
So many horses start out as youngsters in the wrong hands nowadays...and THAT'S where the damage is done. Parelli is a trend that tries to address (and I'm sure succeeds often) this underlying problem...as will be the next answer (I swear there'll be an equine reflexologist around soon).
BRING BACK DECENT RIDING STABLES THAT TEACH GOOD RIDING AND HORSEMANSHIP
 
should i be annoyed someone done parelli on my horse without my permission??

she was trying to catch her for me (didnt ask her too) but my mare wouldnt let her, doesnt let anyone other than me.

apparently she would be a parelli superstar (i thought thats nice!!) shes a star whatever she does if a very opinionated star
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Why don't you have threads about the many people who are conventionally or BHS trained who are complete numpties around their horses?

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^^ This. This thread is just ridiculous.
 
I'm not getting into the parelli not parelli bun fight but I do note with interest that a friend and I both have 6 yo TBX

Hers is TBX cross Welsh Cob and mine is TB cross ID and her lad is a bolshy stroppy arse at times and although occassionally spooked my lad is a very willing sensitive chap.

I know all horses are individuals but its a very interesting comparison as her horse although basically a nice guy has a 'You and whose army' attitude.
 
I have a welsh cob.He is a total sweetheart.Bought to help me restore my broken nerve.I have never gone down the parelli path as such as I find it rather boreing to be honest. I do have an NH instructor I use from time to time.She does ride.In fact (present pregnancy aside) she rides the genuinely naughty ones.i.e the buckers, bolters and rearers.No one has ever defined TRADITIONAL horsemanship to me.Seen plenty who would describe themselves as such I supose. Some better than others.A lot are rubbish IMHO.There only answer to anything is to hit it. If that fails hit it again harder. If that fails, well its obviously a nutter who can't be ridden/loaded/travelled whatever.I mean, if they can't do it who can? Lot of people around who have not got a background in horses and turn to the likes of Parrelli because they don't know where else to go. Failed, more than anything else, by the traditional horse scene that doesn't cater for them..
 
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