types of horses that end up in parelli....

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I think OP is mainly (and correct me if I am wrong) referring to amount of horses on sites like Project Horses that have the term Parelli in their ad - these tend to be Welsh D, TB's or Warmbloods. I have a Welsh D x TB and he is very difficult for a novice, I manage him fine and he has respect for me most of the time but he walks all over my mum is fairly experienced but a little bit nervous these days. If I ever sold him it would be to a professional home only otherwise he would end up fat and spoilt in a field with someone who would be too frightened to get on him but he is pretty to look at!
 
I totally agree. There are just as many so called horsemen who do things in the " convential ", classic or BHS way out there who don't do Parelli yet pay silly money for silly items, wear silly clothes, do horrible and silly things with their horses but that's ok is it?

Thease Parelli threads are posted just to stir up emotions when half the people who criticise it can't see beyond their own noses and have a completely tunnelled and un educated view of what they are bitchin about.

Give it a rest!
 
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I totally agree. There are just as many so called horsemen who do things in the " convential ", classic or BHS way out there who don't do Parelli yet pay silly money for silly items, wear silly clothes, do horrible and silly things with their horses but that's ok is it?

Thease Parelli threads are posted just to stir up emotions when half the people who criticise it can't see beyond their own noses and have a completely tunnelled and un educated view of what they are bitchin about.

Give it a rest!

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I think you are wrong here, just because I don't agree with a particular way of doing things under the name 'parelli' that costs a lot of money for bits of equipment I could make myself out of what I have already got, and it's aimed at novices that are at the end of their tether, does not mean I am bitching!!!! So I take it then that every time you disagree with something you are being a bitch are you?

You should be more careful how you phrase things, I am most certainly NOT being bitchy because I disagree with 'parelli'.
 
I think parelli can be good for certain horses if trained by someone who genuinely knows what they are doing and not just thinks they do, we had a stunning mare once come to us that had been trained parelli and when she came to us the poor love was stressed out of her mind and petrified of the lunge whip and line. We turned her out for a couple of months to chill and when we brought her back in she was much more chilled, I think the parelli which had been taught by novices!! Had blown her brain. I think a lot of people buy the dvd, buy the equipment and think thats it I know what im doing, I am not generalising everyone... but there are a number of people who do that!
 
Flame can you please mention to Frank that he shouldnt be a kick along cob!
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it is entirely dependent on what mood he is in but
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Exactly lisa_dundee, that's not a horse that has been Parelli <u>trained</u>is it? It's just a horse that was spoilt by numpties, they would have done that whatever approach they were claiming to follow. Heck, when I brought my cob I was told he couldn't be ridden if you carried a stick, which was true, but his owners had never heard of Parelli. They had just made him frightened of sticks. After a couple of weeks doing some Parelli stuff with him of course he wasn't bothered by sticks at all.
These threads are futile, why do I bother joining in? Oh yes, it's raining this afternoon.
Well, my friend's horse went out on loan today, via Project Horses, to a very nice experienced girl. She studies Australian Natural Horsemanship, which is different to Parelli but obviously there are things in common. I think she'll make a good job of turning an unsafe horse into a safe one. I'll let you know in the fullness of time.
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I think to fully understand and work with horses in such depth as parelli and natural horsemanship is a gift and not something you can learn from a dvd... but hey everyone has to start somewhere, just glad theyre not starting with my horses lol
 
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He just freaks at the silliest thing. I am the least 'fluffy' person ever, and have a very practical, manner-of-fact, and assertive method with horses that works well with all other horses. Idiotic horse can't be treated like that cos he just breaks down into a ball of quivering nerves. Believe me, I've tried (it would make life so much easier!), it just doesn't work.

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I'm not going to comment on the parelli/not parelli thing, whatever works for the individual imo.
BUT I'm so glad it's not just my numpty welsh that's like this ^^^
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I suspect many welsh cobs are considerably more intelligent than their owners! My girl is only 50% and I constantly had to be thinking one step ahead of her when she was being ridden. (Being a chestnut mare probably didn't help!!) As someone else has pointed out, they are flashy and so tend attract people with more money than sense, and even less riding experience.
 
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Its probably the tank/bolshyness, for example if a horse pissed off when being caught at my yard my YO would just drag em down behind the quad bike till they got the message (which always works after a couple of times,) others may try parelli.
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I hope you said that tongue in cheek?

I'm not a fluffy type by any stretch of the imagination (though more so than some on my yard!) but are you seriously suggesting that the way to get your horse better at being caught is to drag it alone behind the quad bike?? I'd like to see you try that with mine! He'd take your head off the next time you tried to go anywhere near him and I'd certainly never catch him again...

To answer the OP, I don't think particular horses do end up "in parelli". I think it's the owners of certain horses. Nervous or novice people buy horses that are too much for them, and Parelli offers (or seems to offer) a magic wand to wave that is supposedly going to sort everything out. I've had a Kelly Marks RA out to me and it helped when I was having trouble, but I found the Kelly Marks people much more pragmatic. They are honest about the fact that the *owner* is the one with the problem most of the time, and that they train the owner to behave properly rather than claiming to be able to "cure" all of your issues by selling you an overpriced DVD, a rope and a whip...
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Well that's another thing, I've never seen Parelli claim to be able to solve all issues by you just watching a DVD! I borrowed a DVD of a demo, and Pat was stating MANY times that people should not expect a quick fix.
 
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Well that's another thing, I've never seen Parelli claim to be able to solve all issues by you just watching a DVD! I borrowed a DVD of a demo, and Pat was stating MANY times that people should not expect a quick fix.

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I think the problem is that very nervous or novice people tend to latch on to it. It maybe that they don't realise it takes time and effort to sort things out, but I have genuinely known v nervous/novice people brandish a Parelli DVD and claim it will solve everything. In one particular case, horse was sold 2 months later having been ruined by said nervous owner who tried to Parellify it.

Someone made an interesting comment earlier... the horses who end up on websites like Project Horses haven't actually been "parelli trained". They have been ruined by someone who doesn't have the first clue about it and doesn't have enough horse sense to know when to stop, or that they're doing it wrong and making things worse.
 
I think there are as many differences between NH and Parelli as there are similarities.

There have always been good and bad trainers and there have always been ruined horses, but unfortunately two things have happened in the last 10 years; First, horses have become a lot cheaper (relatively) and so a lot more people (mainly women but not always) have decided to own a horse, rather than buy a more traditional pet...like a Budgie for instance. The second thing that has happened is that a lot more EXPERTS have emerged, presumably to fulfil the need of the horse pet owners.

I believe that NH has a lot to offer, as it is basically good traditional horse training, wrapped up in a new marketing approach. It may well be that Parelli has the same to offer, and I believe Pat Parelli knows exactly what he's doing with horses, but all the demos I have seen and the videos I have watched just seem to show how an intelligent horse can be taught tricks.

I trained in the Martial Arts for over 25 years and in that time I came across only a handful of instructors who were worth anything, the rest were under qualified egomaniacs who could not fight their way out of a wet paper bag. I suspect the proportion of poor horse trainer is similar if not higher, unfortunately they will grab at the latest craze to try and make money, be it Reiki, animal communication, NH or Parelli and in doing so they will give that discipline a bad name and a poor reputation.
 
I do train my horses in what many would call NH style, although I don't call it that, I think it is just horsemanship. There are many different styles of horsemanship that can work well, some just happen to be what people label "NH". I have to say it, my horses are brilliant, I am very proud of them to be honest. They are light off the leg and hand, and lovely to be around. So I know this "alternative" stuff works, if you take the time to study it, get around some good trainers, and practise.
The best "Parelli" students I have known tended to have a good understanding of horses as a foundation to build on. That doesn't mean they were particularly skilled trainers or riders, although some were. I mean that they had a good "feel" for a horse, so didn't overdo the exercises and games, and knew how to be fair about the training, and also when to quit. So I do think that style of training can work, but of course not for all people, and definitely not for those who think they can pick it up in a few weeks from DVDs.
I know that Parelli and NH get mentioned from time to time on Project Horses. I don't think that in most cases that is the original reason for the horses' issues though, I think that is probably just something their owners tried in their desperation to solve problems their horse already had. The problem then is, you shouldn't attempt to learn any new training method on a horse with issues, you should learn it on an easy-going and biddable horse. So these people are on a hiding to nothing really, but at least they tried eh? Then they try to do the next best thing, find a more experienced home, which is where Project Horses comes in.
 
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has anyone else noticed lots of welsh cobs seem to end up in parelli???

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No.
Not a PNH student by the way, but I used to be, and I used to work for them, and can hand on heart say that there was no particular breed appearing more than others at clinics.
There is a lot wrong with Parelli, but has it occured to anyone that they don't notice the horses and people who are getting it right? Why don't you have threads about the many people who are conventionally or BHS trained who are complete numpties around their horses?
p.s. Muffino, I don't think there are any male accredited PNH instructors in the UK who would be giving a short evening lesson to just a couple of people. But feel free to share the name of this instructor and prove me wrong.
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Maybe the problem at your yard was another Parelli-wanabee instructor.

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Couldn't agree more - you are sooooooo right
 
This can also be true I know SOME BHSAI's that are know all's who have experienced not a lot, so yes they are text book correct, but experience is something that can not be learned from a book and experience is the true learning curve!
 
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