UKCC Vs BHS stages...

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I know about the BHS stages but have heard a few times of the UKCC.

I know this is going to result in mixed opinions but I'd like to know:

A) What the difference is from the BHS stages

B) How the courses are run compared to the BHS

C) What qualifications are and how widely recognised are they

D) (contraversial one) which do you prefer and why

Lets keep it friendly people I'm just looking for info ;)
 
Jnhuk said:
I think anyone with a Level 3 UKCC is very good and it is very hard work to get there. What I particular like is the way at the end of your lesson/session etc... they actually discuss your strengths/weaknesses and summarise what you need to work on.


If you are really interested in what is involved - why don't you google and look in the detail as here for example http://www.bef.co.uk/Rider_Development_&_Coaching/UK_Coaching_Certificate_Qualifications.html
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Thank you I'll definitely look into it :D
I'm mainly wondering as eventually I'd like to teach and I've heard good and bad things about the BHS and just wanted some opinions on the UKCC side as I don't know anything about it :o
 
Bhs stages really irritate me! They seem to be the be all and end all, but I see them as a ridged, impractical and idealistic approach to stable management. I have watched countless friends spend so much money on exams and prep to fail on seemingly small things. I'm sure in in the minority in my view and I'm sure there is a lot of good about them, but they are not for me.
 
the 'stages' dont teach you how to teach..... the bhs coaching exams are made up of lots of different parts - some even contain the ukcc's! - but they cover a wider area of topics and you cant specialise to quickly

the ukcc's teach you how to create and plan a lesson...so thats why those with that qualification give a good lesson...they been taught what is generally most effective.

however if anyone can find a ukcc level 1 in the uk that doesnt involve the pony club, they are doing very well!
 
Grumpy Jewel said:
Bhs stages really irritate me! They seem to be the be all and end all, but I see them as a ridged, impractical and idealistic approach to stable management. I have watched countless friends spend so much money on exams and prep to fail on seemingly small things. I'm sure in in the minority in my view and I'm sure there is a lot of good about them, but they are not for me.
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That's my worry with the BHS is that it can be ridgid, I worry that I'll forget to do something the BHS way and fail :o

TandD said:
the 'stages' dont teach you how to teach..... the bhs coaching exams are made up of lots of different parts - some even contain the ukcc's! - but they cover a wider area of topics and you cant specialise to quickly

the ukcc's teach you how to create and plan a lesson...so thats why those with that qualification give a good lesson...they been taught what is generally most effective.

however if anyone can find a ukcc level 1 in the uk that doesnt involve the pony club, they are doing very well!
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Ah I've never been a member of PC, does that stop me from doing it?
 
No, the pony club one doesn't mean you have to be a member. I'm doing my level one now. Being pony club means it involves flat and jumping. The bd one is flat only. Coaching spec for pony club is the best which is why I've chosen that one and the course has so far been intense and thorough. I rate it. I decided to opt for a more modern client orientated approach which may not be to alls taste but I think is more desire able now. Happy to answer any questions.
 
Oh and the bhs may state they contain level two but they contain a very short afternoon synopsis of several weeks worth of course. Ukcc are trying to seperate it again, the bhs don't like the idea of a threat!
 
A timely post, I was planning to ask what the quickest and cheapest route to obtain a teaching qualification is.

I have been doing some research and it looks to me as though to do ukcc 1 you need bhs stage one or equivalent. Which makes me think maybe I would be as well doing stage 2 and ptt rather than ukcc1.
 
Rebels said:
No, the pony club one doesn't mean you have to be a member. I'm doing my level one now. Being pony club means it involves flat and jumping. The bd one is flat only. Coaching spec for pony club is the best which is why I've chosen that one and the course has so far been intense and thorough. I rate it. I decided to opt for a more modern client orientated approach which may not be to alls taste but I think is more desire able now. Happy to answer any questions.
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i am not a member of:horse handball, a driving association and some other random horse game...
and the very clever pony club put their introductory course (must be attended) on the same day as the first day of the ukcc 1 training...... (giving up/sinking into pre-dug hole!)
these are the only places/clubs i can find currently offering ukcc 1!
ukcc 2 seems to come up alot - but never 1!!!

so WHERE did you find your course?? - ill travel anywhere in england!
 
I have both, bhs stages 1-4 complete, ptt, intermediate teaching, stable managers and senior coach certificate. I also have my ukcc level three.
with the bhs qualifications of the teaching variety the emphasis is on instruction where as the ukcc is more about getting people to think for themselves. It also takes into account peoples learning styles and much more. You go on a two day course, have a portfolio to complete which takes a long time as you need to be seen to coaching people over a period of time. You are also assessed in your teaching, either a flat or jump lesson.
The bhs stages are much more generic and encompasses all of equine knowledge.
I use a combination of both in my teaching.
 
Just to add, you will need some teaching experience before attending the ukcc courses. Many on my course were top riders / coaches /fbhs and they still found it a lot to take in.
 
I'm doing it just outside Swindon. Best thing is to email the organiser and get put on her list. I can give you her email if you want? Its around 3 hours from me and I hope (if I pass!!) To go straight on to my level 2 currently planned for Tewkesbury ( miles and miles and miles away). I found it through the pony club website.
http://www.pcuk.org/index.php/training/training_ukcc/
 
I had very little experience, some of the others have had none which they prefer, 4 day course with full days, practice and help with portfolio work. Coaching practice preferred as you go along, you need a mentor/experienced person to help every now and again if they can watch you with a guinea pig but not required. There is a mixture of people, one has a riding school another works in admin and another is a young eventer.
 
Rebels said:
No, the pony club one doesn't mean you have to be a member. I'm doing my level one now. Being pony club means it involves flat and jumping. The bd one is flat only. Coaching spec for pony club is the best which is why I've chosen that one and the course has so far been intense and thorough. I rate it. I decided to opt for a more modern client orientated approach which may not be to alls taste but I think is more desire able now. Happy to answer any questions.
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Ah I see! Right, thank you :D

charlie76 said:
Just to add, you will need some teaching experience before attending the ukcc courses. Many on my course were top riders / coaches /fbhs and they still found it a lot to take in.
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Ah :cool: Should probably stick with the BHS stages then :)
 
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