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My lovely Welsh D has been diagnosed with stage 2 ulcers following a scope, hes due to commence Omeprazole paste next week, ordered on line after getting a script from the Vet. He will need a supplement but its a minefield out there, loads to chose from, and no idea which will be effective. Without being a Charlie claw I would prefer something reasonably prices, Omeprazole was over 550 quid, and i fear my bank manager will start asking questions. Grateful for any replies. He isnt a typical ulcery pony, and this was said by the vert, however there were a slight change in behavior, but nothing else significant. Any help will be appreciated. Thankyou
 
Aloe juice is a good shout. You can also get lecithin and apple pectin reasonably priced online, they have some evidence of efficacy too.
 
The referral vets recommended 15ml of coconut oil twice a day (very cheap) and a supplement that contains Pectin and Letchtin (I think).
This is the one he recommended and it’s the one I’ve found most palatable:
EQUITOP Horse Pronutrin Feed -... https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00I4WEK98?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

My vets gave me a huge free sample of this one, moderately palatable:
hestevard.com

Pectigus ADVANCED

SQUAMOUS & GLANDULAR SUPPORT An advanced gastric support formula designed to assist with maintaining optimum gut function and health. • Assists maintenance of optimum gut function & health• Suitable for all horses & foals for short or long term use• Ideal for horses during intense training...
hestevard.com hestevard.com

I’m currently using the Science Supplements Gastrokind which is a powder rather than a pellet, probably the most cost effective but I have to mix it with meadow cobs or she won’t eat it.
 
HopOnTrot said:
The referral vets recommended 15ml of coconut oil twice a day (very cheap) and a supplement that contains Pectin and Letchtin (I think).
This is the one he recommended and it’s the one I’ve found most palatable:
EQUITOP Horse Pronutrin Feed -... https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00I4WEK98?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

My vets gave me a huge free sample of this one, moderately palatable:
hestevard.com

Pectigus ADVANCED

SQUAMOUS & GLANDULAR SUPPORT An advanced gastric support formula designed to assist with maintaining optimum gut function and health. • Assists maintenance of optimum gut function & health• Suitable for all horses & foals for short or long term use• Ideal for horses during intense training...
hestevard.com hestevard.com

I’m currently using the Science Supplements Gastrokind which is a powder rather than a pellet, probably the most cost effective but I have to mix it with meadow cobs or she won’t eat it.
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I also second asking for a sample of the Pectagus Advanced
 
I would go for really good management over expensive supplements. Supplements only work for the time that they’re in the stomach (4hours ish max) and then the horse has the other 20 hours to deal with. Good management (as much turnout as possible, settled routine, deal with any other pain causing issues, as-lib forage, chaff before you ride/ travel etc) will be you best bet once the ulcers have healed with the medication
 
Thankyou all, its squamous ulcers. I have never seen them before, but watched the scope, they were like little small dots between squamous and glandular region, almost resting on that line. there weren't very many. Hes been a bit angsty lately, threw me off in a spectacular fashion, and has been wired, more so than usual. so thought it was something worth investigating. His management hasnt changed, out all night from about 4pm till 9am, has top chop lite and the lite balancer, there is always forage handy. He has a calmer (just started) which seems to be helping.
 
Nocturnal said:
Aloe juice is a good shout. You can also get lecithin and apple pectin reasonably priced online, they have some evidence of efficacy too.
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what would be the quantities, and where could I get them from, have had a quick look, and it seems to be health food shops. Ths has all come as a shock, so if im a being a bit slow, that will be why.
 
supertramp said:
what would be the quantities, and where could I get them from, have had a quick look, and it seems to be health food shops. Ths has all come as a shock, so if im a being a bit slow, that will be why.
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Don’t know if much research has been done on differing quantities, so personally I would compare against some pre-made supplements and feed similar quantities. Science Supplements do one as do Forage Plus, and I’m sure some others.
 
My Connemara F had grade 2 squamous. He had 6 jabs as he wasn't completely healed on rescoping. With the jabs he had 2 pots of Sucralfate. The vet also recommended NAF GastriAid for 6 months after. F's diet now is hay, A & P fast fibre, salt, NAF Pink senior plus Boswellia for his arthritis.
 
I swapped mine from her normal Protexin gut balancer to their Acid Ease just for a bit of support after ulcers treatment.
 
I’m currently using Omega Equine Ulsoothe powder. I’ve tried a few and seemed to get a positive behavioural change with this one. He was treated for ulcers with Gastroguard and sucralfate Feb-Mar 2024 then subsequently had colic surgery. I don’t really know whether the quantities in it are the best bang for buck but I’m keeping on it for now.

Composition​

Composition:
Fruit Extract
Linseed Expeller
Calcium Carbonate
Apple Pectin
Magnesium Oxide
Sea Buckthorn
Fructo-oligosaccharide
Ricebran Oil
Aloe Vera

Additives/kg:
Vitamins:
Vitamin E 3a700 (alpha-tocopherol acetate) 22,850iu
Trace elements:
Zinc 3b612 (zinc chelate of protein hydrolysates) 525mg
Digestibility Enhancers:
Saccharomyces Cerevisiae (NCYC sc47) 10 x 1010 kg. 10 x 107/g

Analytical Constituents:
Crude Protein 9.7%
Crude Fibre 1.6%
Crude Oils & Fats 12%
Crude Ash 9.6%
Sodium 0.14%
 
Science Supplements GastroKind, it has proven research that it works and science supplements specifically say how much of each ingredient they include unlike so many others! Vets may recommend pectagus but they don’t specify how much of the key ingredients they use so it could be minimal…vets also get a bit of a kick back for recommending it…just saying!!

I’ve used GastroKind for my TB who had squamous ulcers and it was great stuff…I claimed on the insurance for it and it was approved. But the biggest help would be to identify the cause of the ulcers in the first place…why do you think your horse had them? Pain? Lifestyle? Changing that is more effective long term than a supplement. To be honest my vet said there was probably no benefit of a supplement long term…
 
Thanks all for the replies. I would think the ulcers may be due to being stressy at times, he's on a calmer now which is working wonders, or maybe it is a placebo effect and working on me!
 
i didn’t notice a difference with the protexin gut balancer, but i’m having success with the acid ease! obviously the cheap one isn’t good enough for them🙄
 
I think the most important thing to remember is to make sure you are feeding enough of a product or ingredient for the horses size/weight to make sure they’re actually getting the benefits of it :)
 
Bert doesn't have ulcers he scoped clear and turned out his problem was liver disease.

However I had got him Blue Chip Ulcer Cool balancer as it sounded quite good when I thought he might have them.

He is not having the balancer at the moment as he is on Hepalyte for his liver and as he doesn't have ulcers do not want to over complicate things.
 
SO1 said:
Bert doesn't have ulcers he scoped clear and turned out his problem was liver disease.

However I had got him Blue Chip Ulcer Cool balancer as it sounded quite good when I thought he might have them.

He is not having the balancer at the moment as he is on Hepalyte for his liver and as he doesn't have ulcers do not want to over complicate things.
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Please could i ask what his symptoms were and how this was diagnosed?
 
lialls said:
Please could i ask what his symptoms were and how this was diagnosed?
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Not wanting to trot under saddle and extreme napping and side bitting. Scoped clear for ulcers. Blood tests and raised liver enzymes. Treatment was Hepalyte for two months plus very gentle ground work exercise. Liver enzymes back to normal and no longer napping or side bitting under saddle.
 
I've had some great results from the Ron Fields products. I was skeptical at first but it's absolutely transformed one of my horses and he now only needs a small amount of one of their maintenance ones when I want to use it as a preventative so I do feel they've had a long term impact.

I've recently started another one on it and the change has been huge in just over a week.
 
This is a useful site https://equinenutritionnerd.com/201...tions-for-stomach-ulcer-treatment-prevention/ I sorted a stressy TB probe to ulcers with natural remedies, what my vet called my "kitchen sink remedies", but the main thing is to ensure they never ever have an empty stomach. He also now gets a probiotic daily.
I'm not keen on omeprazole, I know in humans it can block the uptake of vitamins etc. You can also buy Esomeprazole over the counter, worth considering IMHO, I knew of a very experienced owner who used it succesfully on an ulcer prone TB
 
SEL said:
I buy pectin & lecithin from Buy Wholefoods Online. I also made up my own version of Colicare herbs from them.

I do think they help although cheap enough for human placebo effect too
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what quantities do you feed? have had success with acid ease and would like to give it a try with both of them, but can’t bring myself to spend £100 a month on it!
 
Hi @supertramp sorry to resurrect an older thread. My horse has just tested positive for squamous ulcers (not sure what grade, vets didn't say, but they aren't severe). Just wondered what supplement you went for in the end and how your horse is doing now?
 
I went for the Omeprazole, and then Equine exceed, its really helped him, far more settled, and also I believe his were caused by streets, so this has helped him to be more settle. He never has an empty stomach .
 
Ali27 said:
Are they squamous or glandular? Mine had both🙈 My vet recommended sea buckthorn liquid from Thunderbrookes which works out at around £35 per month!
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Hi, just wondering about the sea buckthorn. I've just bought a bottle from thunderbrooks and realised I have no idea what to expect so don't know if it's 'good' if that makes sense! What colour/smell is normal for it? It's a bright orange (which I believe is normal) and has quite a smell to it. Is that normal?
 
RHGR said:
Hi, just wondering about the sea buckthorn. I've just bought a bottle from thunderbrooks and realised I have no idea what to expect so don't know if it's 'good' if that makes sense! What colour/smell is normal for it? It's a bright orange (which I believe is normal) and has quite a smell to it. Is that normal?
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Yep, that sounds right!
 
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