Un molassed dengie range..... Please be aware

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The new dengie range ( un mollased ) is soon to be approved by the laminitic trust. I feel this range is going to course problems for horse owners with the good doer. It's been made for the laminitic which needs to put weight on!!!! Not for fatties!!!! So it has got a place in the Market but if your horse has laminitis or prone to it you really don't want to feed this. It will put weight on.

Iv already spoken to people who have swapped from hi fi lite or similar to the un mollased thinking ( no mollases) better for the laminitic, not the case as the soya oil it is coated it will put weight on.

Just something to pass on really.
 
I use it for the oil content, the alfa a one - tried it when it came out and the horses loved it, so have stuck with it, I also feed molassed beet, so not bothered about molasses anyway, but saves me adding extra oil which in turn saves me money!! But I agree with you. It's place in the market is aimed at horses and ponies in work which may need more energy or condititon, some of whom maybe fizzy or sharp when on molassed feeds, or prone to laminitis but still need protein and energy for their work, really good doers/laminitics that are not working alot would be better on hi-fi lite, good doer or healthly hooves - although one of mine put on a bit on healthy hooves too!!
 
Personally I think owners need to do the research and take responsibility for anything they choose to feed their horses.

When I had a laminitic I certainly wouldn't have changed anything just because it had The Laminitis Trust printed on it!

All the feed companies have Nutritionists freely available. It's up to us to use this research instead of changing on a whim to the latest fad!
 
Persephone said:
Personally I think owners need to do the research and take responsibility for anything they choose to feed their horses.

When I had a laminitic I certainly wouldn't have changed anything just because it had The Laminitis Trust printed on it!

All the feed companies have Nutritionists freely available. It's up to us to use this research instead of changing on a whim to the latest fad!
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Damn, where's the like button when you need it!
 
Mine go mad for the HiFi Molasses Free - it's obviously very attractive for them. They only get a handful but I can hide pretty much all supplements and powders in it!
 
Yes the protien is higher, and i think it's lower in fibre too.

I got a free sample of the M.Free today, and love the fresh smell of it, but i wish they hadnt put those alfalfa pellets in it!. They are just pure protein.

Ive been using good old hi fi lite for years now to my good doers, but the latest bag has just been full of sticky mollased chunks and smelt like ice cream!.

I was very tempted to swap over to the M.Free after this bad bag, but it was probably just a one off.
 
I think it's an incredbly useful feed having known a couple of laminitics that have needed a bit of condition (not talking fat here at all, just gone too far the other way) it is difficult to find feeds that would be suitable for them.

People really do need to research feed before they feed them
 
Persephone said:
Personally I think owners need to do the research and take responsibility for anything they choose to feed their horses.

When I had a laminitic I certainly wouldn't have changed anything just because it had The Laminitis Trust printed on it!

All the feed companies have Nutritionists freely available. It's up to us to use this research instead of changing on a whim to the latest fad!
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So very true but doesn't happen, every day I get more and more shocked at people coming into work with feed problems.
Such as
" I feed topspec comprehensive balancer, naf general supplement and seaweed but don't feel my horse is getting what he needs" :eek:

" I'm feeding my pony sugar beet, mollichaff extra, and mix but he's very obese what would you suggest I change" :rolleyes:

the most latest is the un mollased range which is making ponies in our area very fat, the only part the owns see is the " un mollased " and thinks it much be a good thing for their laminitic, research is not being done by the owners.

I honestly think we will see ponies go down with laminitic because off their lack off research on this product.
Iv brought all this to the attention off the rep who I have a meeting with next week
 
just because i horse is prone to lamintus doesn't mean it will be fat, lamintus doesn't effect just fat horses, it can affect any shape size and age of horse. so to have a conditioning feed thats safe for lamintics is a good thing. its the owners responsible to make sure the feed they choose is suitable for there animal.
 
The protein is the same as hi fi lite!! Didnt realise this.

Hi fi lite: Protein: 10%
Fibre: 40%
Oil: 1.5%
Energy 7.5

Hi fi mollasses free: Protien: 10%
Fibre: 35%
Oil: 6.5%
Energy 8.5%

So the M.Free is more 'conditioning', but if youre only feeding a handful a day (like me), it wouldnt make a huge difference i guess, depending on the horse of course!
 
I have just swapped too for a bf laminitic. This is because he is so lacking in energy he is very hard work to even get going sometimes. He has been better since our swap and not hit and miss if he will eat it. however I would def read up first as it is higher in oil and lower in fibre. Great that it's available.

Also after the last three bags of hifi lite either smelled of fish or cheesecake I'm glad to get some consistency!
 
As far as I am aware it is only lightly coated in oil, and at 8.5 MJ it is still a fairly low calorie feed. I wouldn't be overly concerned about feeding it to a laminitic to be honest, especially if you've got one that is sensitive to the preservatives/small amount of molasses still in the hi fi lite. I've stuck with hi fi lite, simply because mine does well on it, and if ain't broke!

Taken from dengie website:- Key Features

* Hi-Fi Molasses Free is a low calorie, high fibre feed that provides 8.5MJ/kg DE
* Hi-Fi Molasses Free is suitable for horses and ponies that require a low sugar and starch ration such as those prone to laminitis that maintain weight with ease
* Hi-Fi Molasses Free contains the added herbs fenugreek and mint for enhanced palatability
* Hi-Fi Molasses Free contains no added sugar and naturally provides 1.5% starch and 2% sugar which is approximately one fifth of the sugar found in average hay
* Hi-Fi Molasses Free may be used as a partial forage replacer
 
Sorry me again... can you guys who use/have tried it give me a rough price? my friends picking up feeding for me this week, think im gonna give it a try for my big fussy beastie!
 
Fish, cheesecake?!!!!!

My latest bag is very buttery and ice creamy scented!

For years hi fi lite has always smelt the same, kind of like fag ash and looked pale yellow.

Lately it's had what seems to be a higher alfalfa content, very green looking. And with a variety of odd scents by the sounds of it!.

Horses dont seem fussed though!
 
I spoke to dengie about this range at Your horse live as I was considering it but they recommended I stick to the good doer for my New forest as he is a good doer and this range would make him fat.

Being fat is more risky than being slim and on a chaff with a small amount of molasses, they said the content of molasses in good doer is small.

I do read the bags of everything before I decide what to feed and information about what is in the these feeds is freely available on the internet.
 
I feed my lad the alpha-a version. I wasn't fussed about trying it but it was recommended to me as I needed something that was relatively low in sugar but something to help my lad put the weight he lost over winter, back on. He loves it and he's looking great. I agree with those who've said owners should research what feed is best for their horse.
 
Pod77 said:
Fish, cheesecake?!!!!!

My latest bag is very buttery and ice creamy scented!

For years hi fi lite has always smelt the same, kind of like fag ash and looked pale yellow.

Lately it's had what seems to be a higher alfalfa content, very green looking. And with a variety of odd scents by the sounds of it!.

Horses dont seem fussed though!
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Yes, def green looking. Also had ice cream smell, a bit vanilla.

It has been pot luck recently and also, lots of clumpy bits, not like how it used to be. This time, fish so he just snorted it out his bucket and walked away.
 
SiscosMum said:
this feed sounds like it would be good for epsm horsey, can anyone send me a link to info about it please? thankyou in advance
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It is! Mine doesn't have EPSM, but has recurrent Exertional Rhabdomyolysis....so still ties up, and this feed has been great for him. I have him o the Alfa A molasses free, I was previously on Alfa A oil....but the MF version still has the oil content but added mint (good for digestion, and he's had ulcers in the past) and fenugreek (great for condition) and the alfalfa pellets add a bit of crunch to make it more interesting for them.
 
I think its fab! I feed it because its very low in sugar and starch.

And yes you do need to read the ingredients, I used to feed the Good Doer, but was shocked that it contained 8%sugar! although the energy level is very low.


Its all a bit swings and roundabouts especialy if you're only feeding a handful like me
 
You have to remember that ANY feed can be fattening if fed to levels that are more than the horse needs and at 8.5 MJDE/kg it is still fairly low calorie even if slightly more calorific than Hi Fi Lite. After all Speedibeet is Laminitis Trust approved and that is hugely more calorific at 12.4 MJDE/kg! This is because it is the sugar and starch levels that determine whether it can be approved, NOT the calorie level.
 
TGM said:
You have to remember that ANY feed can be fattening if fed to levels that are more than the horse needs and at 8.5 MJDE/kg it is still fairly low calorie even if slightly more calorific than Hi Fi Lite. After all Speedibeet is Laminitis Trust approved and that is hugely more calorific at 12.4 MJDE/kg! This is because it is the sugar and starch levels that determine whether it can be approved, NOT the calorie level.
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This is what we are trying to get across, not all lammi ponies are fat, there has got to be foods available for the skinny lammi ponies which is a good thing but owners do not reed the bags or do research. And it is going to course problems.
 
That's not what you said in your original post:

thatsmygirl said:
if your horse has laminitis or prone to it you really don't want to feed this. It will put weight on.
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Firstly, it will not definitely put weight on. It will only put weight on IF the total calorie content of the horse's daily diet exceeds what the horse needs.

Also, one minute you are saying it shouldn't be fed to laminitics at all, and then you say it is OK for skinny laminitics?

As for causing problems, ANY feed marketed for laminitics can potentially cause obesity problems if people think they can feed it willy-nilly without keeping an eye on the animal's weight. I'm not sure why you seem to have picked on this feed in particular, when there are other Laminitis Trust approved feeds with a higher calorie content than Dengie Molasses Free?
 
I am feeding the hifi mollasses free, horse loves it! horse prone to muscle tightness also tying up...so it fab for him. he is 16.3 good doer, ID X WB
 
LadyRascasse said:
just because i horse is prone to lamintus doesn't mean it will be fat, lamintus doesn't effect just fat horses, it can affect any shape size and age of horse. so to have a conditioning feed thats safe for lamintics is a good thing. its the owners responsible to make sure the feed they choose is suitable for there animal.
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Completely agree with this.

With laminitis you need to avoid sugar and starch, this does not necessarily mean that your laminitic pony needs to be thin!

It is perfectly safe to feed oil and fibre to a laminitic in order to keep weight safely on them. Protein is NOT a problem and does NOT cause laminitis.
 
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