Un molassed dengie range..... Please be aware

I used it for one of mine for a while and she went absolutely crazy for it (I mean crazy!) - I didn't realise that it had Fenugreek in it, which can act as an appetite stimulant as well, so I believe that is why she was crazy and generally being a hoover head (which is really not in her nature at all) - it was very interesting indeed! I have gone back to HiFi Lite anyway and she has calmed down again!

I am not all that convinced by Soya Oil either for some laminitics/arthritics as it is high in Omega 6, which can act as a pro-inflammatory. Basically the ratios of Omega 3:Omega 6 should be more like 2:1 and I believe that Soya Oil is higher in Omega 6 than Omega 3. That is certainly true for humans anyway and I don't see why it would be any different for horses in that respect? If you use any oil, it should be something like linseed which has a better 3:6 ratio. Just something to think about! :-)
 
Since my post, we've been on HiFiMF for 15.3hh barefoot lami prone now for about a month and no weight gain, less sensitivity then on hifilite even though eating bits of growing grass. Very focussed on his work and is no longer 'lazy'.

p.s. gets 1/2scoop mf and teacup of speedibeet + his herbs.

So far so good...
 
Persephone said:
Personally I think owners need to do the research and take responsibility for anything they choose to feed their horses.

When I had a laminitic I certainly wouldn't have changed anything just because it had The Laminitis Trust printed on it!

All the feed companies have Nutritionists freely available. It's up to us to use this research instead of changing on a whim to the latest fad!
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Second this, great post especially the bit about owners taking responsibility.:)

Naggy said:
If you use any oil, it should be something like linseed which has a better 3:6 ratio.
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Tbh I believe ground (micronized) linseed is better than the oil, it contains all the 'goodies' in the seed. It naturally has the correct ratio of omega 3 & 6.
 
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I think every feed has it's place and owners should take responsibility for their own horse's diet by researching feed products carefully.

You don't have to be a nutritionist to see the differences and work out the effects they may have on your horse's wellbeing and it's common sense to say that if mollasses EXTRACT is being replaced with OIL the product is going tocause some weight gain.

Most manufacturers have at least a basic breakdown of Digestible energy, protein, fibre and oil content on their websites or feed bags and just five minutes spent writing them all down and comparing them and working out EXACTLY what your horse's requirements are you can work out the best diet for them.

I NEVER just pop to the shop and buy a feed for my horse without researching it and considering it first.
 
thatsmygirl said:
The new dengie range ( un mollased ) is soon to be approved by the laminitic trust. I feel this range is going to course problems for horse owners with the good doer. It's been made for the laminitic which needs to put weight on!!!! Not for fatties!!!! So it has got a place in the Market but if your horse has laminitis or prone to it you really don't want to feed this. It will put weight on.

Iv already spoken to people who have swapped from hi fi lite or similar to the un mollased thinking ( no mollases) better for the laminitic, not the case as the soya oil it is coated it will put weight on.

Just something to pass on really.
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I did a thread on this not so long ago, I rang Dengie to see if it was going to go on the laminitis trust list, woman I spoke to said she thought it would but to be aware that even though its un mollassed its high in oil, hence the weight gain, I chose not to feed it in the end because I thought if I need to add oil I'll do it myself as an when needed, if its already in there it won't be much good to monitor
 
thatsmygirl said:
The new dengie range ( un mollased ) is soon to be approved by the laminitic trust. I feel this range is going to course problems for horse owners with the good doer. It's been made for the laminitic which needs to put weight on!!!! Not for fatties!!!! So it has got a place in the Market but if your horse has laminitis or prone to it you really don't want to feed this. It will put weight on.
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Now, you see this would actually be ideal for my 2 oldies then, I have two veteran ponies, both prone to laminitis BUT as they are getting on in years now they are beginning to struggle holding on weight (especially through the winter). I've been desperate to find a feed to add calories safely!
 
I'm not planning on switching, but also be aware that soya products may cause problems for insulin resistant/hypothyroid horses. Same for humans, for that matter!
 
Persephone said:
Personally I think owners need to do the research and take responsibility for anything they choose to feed their horses.

When I had a laminitic I certainly wouldn't have changed anything just because it had The Laminitis Trust printed on it!

All the feed companies have Nutritionists freely available. It's up to us to use this research instead of changing on a whim to the latest fad!
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So completely agree. The information is readily available, at the click of a button, here on the tinternet:D
 
MagicMelon said:
Now, you see this would actually be ideal for my 2 oldies then, I have two veteran ponies, both prone to laminitis BUT as they are getting on in years now they are beginning to struggle holding on weight (especially through the winter). I've been desperate to find a feed to add calories safely!
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Could also be good for my pony (who is around 18 or 19) as he is very prone to lami but really struggling to hold weight these days.
 
I have gone through all the dengie products in terms of research, and asked them why they cannot bring out a version that is mollasses free and soya oil free! unfortunately they need one or other for palatability or to help it kind of stick together. Was on alfa a oil for weight gain which worked but sent him loopy, is rocket fuel! Switched to hifi mollasses free which he loved but I think he was still a bit above himself from the calories from the oil, so switched to hifi lite - very difficut trying to gain weight without rediculous behavior! I am so careful about what I feed - I analyse the ingredients annd ring the company always.
 
thatsmygirl said:
This is what we are trying to get across, not all lammi ponies are fat, there has got to be foods available for the skinny lammi ponies which is a good thing but owners do not reed the bags or do research. And it is going to course problems.
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It'll cause problems for dimwits that can't read maybe, but dear god why get hysterical over a feed range?:confused: Anyone considering changing the feed of their respective horses/ponies should either research the subject thoroughly or call the relative helplines available, it's not rocket science:rolleyes:
 
TGM said:
That's not what you said in your original post:



Firstly, it will not definitely put weight on. It will only put weight on IF the total calorie content of the horse's daily diet exceeds what the horse needs.

Also, one minute you are saying it shouldn't be fed to laminitics at all, and then you say it is OK for skinny laminitics?

As for causing problems, ANY feed marketed for laminitics can potentially cause obesity problems if people think they can feed it willy-nilly without keeping an eye on the animal's weight. I'm not sure why you seem to have picked on this feed in particular, when there are other Laminitis Trust approved feeds with a higher calorie content than Dengie Molasses Free?
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I need a 'like' button for this post:)

Can't understand the hysteria over this new feed range, and it does seem to be rather specifically targeted eh?;)
 
Just read this thread with interest as I have just swapped my cob onto it.
I did lots of research on thew internet etc (always do before I make a feed change) and thought that this would suit her.
I was looking for a feed that would put a bit of weight and condition on her but not make her too silly as she is currently being brought back into work so didn't want her to have too much energy. She's not getting a huge amount of it, just 1 scoop a day.
Is my thinking correct on this?
 
Mine gets a handful of healthy hooves like she has since last summer and she's not put on any weight! I can't use just Hifi lite as she won't eat it otherwise I would
 
I feed this to my cob and me Lami-mare who can never put weight on her ribs, just a rock solid neck and they're both doing fine on it! Don't see what the huge fuss is about...
 
iamSanta said:
I feed this to my cob and me Lami-mare who can never put weight on her ribs, just a rock solid neck and they're both doing fine on it! Don't see what the huge fuss is about...
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Just people who can't be bothered to read a bag and a web site making a fuss about nothing .
 
I think it just highlights how owners need to take responsibility and know what they are feeding and why. And in some cases the only way you will find that out is by reading the white label on the bag because the feed companies are not alway very forthcoming about this. And bear in my mind that the nutritionists that work for the feed companies are not independent.


As TGM says anything will put on weight if you feed enough of it and unless you need it as a carrier for supplements or minerals do you need to feed at all.

Any Alfalfa based chaff whether it's Dengie range or others will have one of three things added to help preserve it and stop it crumbling to dust:- molasses, oil, or molglo which you see on alot of the low calorie options and is a mixture of the two. They may also have all sorts of preservatives/mould inhibitors etc.
They are also all sorts of herbs which are not necessarily a problem in themselves but you want to know what they are doing before you feed.

If I was wanting to feed alfalfa I would feed the pellets which are nothing but alfalfa, if I needed to feed a chaff I would feed a completely untreated straw chaff.
There are oils like Linseed that have a better omega balance than soya if I wanted to add oil to the diet.


Personally I've gone back to straights completely.
 
I feed my boy it as he has a sugar intollerance and I need a feed that is not treated with mollasses.
Although it still has a low sugar amount in it, its the lowest I have found in any feed (he has the alpha-a version)
He lacks condition as well and he has really done well on this feed through the winter.
Would recommend it for sugar intollerant horses that still need the condition, my boy is looking the best he has hve ever looked coming out of winter.
 
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