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Has anyone come across this please? Gelding unable to drop even with a huge dose of acp. Sheath gets very swollen and he’s very quick to kick now if I go near it. He is peeing inside himself. There are sarcoids externally but they stay the same. He is acting as if in pain and even whilst sedated was reactive to touch. Vet cleaned it and prescribed antibiotics and Bute to no avail. Next step is a camera up there to see if there’s a growth but obviously with the virus going on that can’t happen right now.
I cant find anything on the internet relating to this so hoping someone here may have heard of it or seen it before.
 
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My goodness, how distressing for you and your poor gelding. I don‘t have anything useful to say except my old hunter had a huge number of sarcoids on his penis and within his sheath but he was still able to drop it and pee. It almost sounds to me like your horse has a UTI.
 
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Quigleyandme said:
My goodness, how distressing for you and your poor gelding. I don‘t have anything useful to say except my old hunter had a huge number of sarcoids on his penis and within his sheath but he was still able to drop it and pee. It almost sounds to me like your horse has a UTI.
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That was the hopeful assumption hence the antibiotics. It’s really most peculiar. Thank you.
 
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CMcC said:
Has your vet refused to carry out further investigations now? I would think this would be classed as an emergency and further vet treatment/investigation justified.
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No she has not refused, she’s a fantastic vet. He’s an incredibly complex chap health wise and he is still eating and drinking as normal. I talk to her regularly but this has us stumped hence posting here to see if anyone else has ever come across it. Whilst there’s many hits for unable to retract a penis, there’s none for the opposite.
 
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I’m not sure if ACP is the same but I know if they have too much or a bad reaction to sedalin, a geldings penis can prolapse. Could it be the same type of thing but it’s causing him to be unable to drop? The camera investigation needs to be done. It’s an emergency situation
 
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I’m not sure if ACP is the same but I know if they have too much or a bad reaction to sedalin, a geldings penis can prolapse. Could it be the same type of thing but it’s causing him to be unable to drop? The camera investigation needs to be done. It’s an emergency situation
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Sedalin is ACP.

Definitely a emergency, what's the vet playing at not investigating a horse urinating inside it's sheath?

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I'm not sure the vet has said they won't investigate, it's possible the OP has assumed they wouldn't from their posts.

OP if you are on FB it might be worth posting on horse vet corner to see if any of them have had similar cases.
 
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Goldenstar said:
You need to get him into a hospital urgently .
they will be able to sedate him better in a set of stocks .
its not something that can wait
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Sorry to seem harsh but I have to agree with this and I am quite shocked that your Vet has not pushed to get him in for investigations. I personally think she is doing your horse a great disservice. Do you have your own transport ?
 
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ester said:
I'm not sure the vet has said they won't investigate, it's possible the OP has assumed they wouldn't from their posts.

OP if you are on FB it might be worth posting on horse vet corner to see if any of them have had similar cases.
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The vet should be pushing for an investigation, not waiting to be asked, imo.

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Goldenstar said:
The BVA and the government where very clear the restrictions where not to be administered in any way that caused acute welfare issues .
OP needs to get her horse admitted to hospital this morning .
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Mine has no hospital and I choose him because of that. If it was my horse it would be investigated at home, but it would be done today.

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ester said:
I'm not sure the vet has said they won't investigate, it's possible the OP has assumed they wouldn't from their posts.

OP if you are on FB it might be worth posting on horse vet corner to see if any of them have had similar cases.
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‘Thank you. It’s not as simple as I am portraying it here. I am simply looking for anyone who has heard of this. Nobody I know including professionals have seen or heard of this. Without giving his entire encyclopaedic medical history I understand this sounds like a dire emergency. His vet truly is the most amazing vet and she is getting further advice from specialists. Every year something happens and we believe this is it, he still lives but keeps us on our toes.
‘His appetite is fabulous albeit severely restricted as he’s a greedy cob. He’s out 24/7 with company beside him. He sees the vet very very regularly. He has no temperature, no infection and his bloods etc are good. Whilst unpleasant we would rather wait on the specialists opinion before doing anything further. Sedation is extremely detrimental to him.
‘Plus were on lockdown with heavily restricted access to the yard, understandably so. If his vet felt it was urgent, it would have been done already. I cannot stress how much I trust her with him. She has pulled him through unbelievable illnesses, she is always there and most importantly she has never ever let him down.
‘I understand where you are all coming from, I would think the same but I assure you all Is in hand.
I am not on Facebook anymore so can’t ask on there. I used to love that group
 
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I can remember reading on here a few instances over the years of horses having sheath issues and they ended up finding that there were maggots up in the sheath.
 
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ycbm said:
Mine has no hospital and I choose him because of that. If it was my horse it would be investigated at home, but it would be done today.

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If the horse is not easily sedated it will need to hospitalised for sedation through cannula so it can be very easily placed into very deep sedation in stocks there’s no other way with the need for social distancing without unacceptable risk to the vet .
 
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Goldenstar said:
If the horse is not easily sedated it will need to hospitalised for sedation through cannula so it can be very easily placed into very deep sedation in stocks there’s no other way with the need for social distancing without unacceptable risk to the vet .
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It’s not the ease of sedation. It’s just that sedation is incredibly dangerous for him. Deep sedation, the benefits would truly have to outweigh the risks.
 
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Goldenstar said:
The risks of doing nothing are considerable .
if he’s presenting with pain the vet needs to do something
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That’s most untrue and unfair. There is plenty being done. Nobody on here that I know, is a vet. I am doing everything my vet is telling me, the vet I trust implicitly, the vet who has actually trained to do this and who I pay a considerable amount of money to for her expertise.
I posted asking had anyone experience of this and whilst I welcome comments and views I do not welcome the opinion that nothing is being done when I have explained repeatedly what is being done.
I can guarantee he is receiving the best care at this time. I do not know if he is in pain, I said he is acting that way, equally he could be just royally peed off at his sheath constantly being manhandled.
‘We cannot just pop him on Bute as he has hepatitis, the Bute has before triggered an hepatic flare which leads to more fibrosis of his liver. Benefits versus risks always. If for one hot minute i believed he was In dire pain, I would give him pain relief and deal with the rest but for now, my vet and I have agreed not yet.
I genuinely can see where you are coming from but please believe my horse is getting the very best of care. Everything that can be done is being done for now.
 
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If he has got any external sarcoids u wouldnt know if there was anything internal , my boy has melamomas in there had one blocking him but obviously couldnt see it , however he has just been seen today with vets social distancing in place because of a new quick lump that had appeares on his sheath and they worried re it being more aggressive than a melamomas, we have to be very careful what drugs / sedation he has due to severe abdominal issues hes suffered so completely get were u are coming from but i would be worriws that the longer urs is left something more sinister could be going on xxxx
 
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