Unacceptable at any level.

Are you ever going to answer the following questions:

- WHAT did you see?
- WHERE did you see it?
- HOW do you get more extreme than Rollkur?
- WHY can this footage not be shared?

If you cannot answer these quite simple points I'm afraid I will be forced to conclude that you're talking droppings.
 
And there are starving children in Africa, a disastrous healthcare system in the US, tyranny in North Korea... and your point is? I am afraid we need to be more specific here on HHO if we are to enlighten anyone. Spouting cryptic platitudes don't make for constructive debate, Andy80.
 
Listen I can say whatever I want - last night Diva and I were doing tempi changes all the way round the school - finished off with passage all the way back to the stables.

At the end of the day unless I can prove it with video evidence it means squat as does the OP!
 
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Now you are trying to pre-judge and pigeon hole me.

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I'm not trying to do anything.

It was the 'pet ponies only getting visited at weekends' and 'horses being kept on livery' that amused me. I'm sure worse things could happen to them... like rollkur perhaps.
 
Hear hear, although the sun has come out so I'm going to don my spurs, get on my stabled horse and work him in rollkur for over an hour in the hope I'll get over 60% at the weekend. (Disclaimer: I never work my horse for over an hour, I was joking.
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'So, having been involved with dressage to a reasonable level, SJ and showing at the top level, I can honestly say that what I've seen in the showing world beats anything I've seen anywhere else hands down.

What's more, this isn't "the odd rider" or "the odd yard", it's blatent cruelty that has become perfectly acceptable and often mandatory to fit in.

Whilst Rollkur disgusts me I'm impressed at the way the majority of the dressage world has stood together to campaign against it being used as a tool of abuse.

Here is a short list of things I witnessed on a daily basis whilst being involved in the world of showing:

1. The one they all use, tying their ponies' heads in and leaving them in their stables 24/7 to "produce topline"
2. The other one they all use, over feeding to "produce topline"
3. Slicing the corner of the ponies' mouths to make sure they cannot take any contact and hurt dear little brat's hands... god forbid brat should learn to ride, how yesterday!
4. Lunging all night in tight side reins (people doing shifts through the night) in trot to ensure pony is too exhausted to misbehave with child in the ring the following day
5. Following above, withholding water and feeding enormous feed immediately prior to ring entry
6. Dyeing ponies who made have inadvertently seen sunlight and bleached their coats. Or, in fact, because they fancy them black rather than bay that day.
7. Painting white markings onto their faces with paint that does, after a few uses, burn the skin and scar the white mark on permanently. Wouldn't want a plain face now would we?
8. Tying horse's head to its tail and again forcing it to stand all day twisted round, to "teach it to respect the rein"
9. Feeding so much the pony ends up with laminitis, but continuing to feed it the same amount for the rest of its short life whilst filling it with bute to reduce the inflammation in its feet. One died of liver failure in the time I was there (NOT very long)
10. Lunging in hyperflexion, or tying horse down into hyperflexion then riding it with no contact on usual reins. Also saw two horses die this way after flipping over to escape the discomfort (sadly whilst being lunged, rather than onto their riders)
11. Rugging up to the eyeballs in the middle of summer whilst standing ponies under hot lamps to the point where they were blowing and sweating (but it's okay, because it keeps their coats looking nice (and costs less in hair dye))

That's just off the top of my head.

Before the "but there are good and bad people in every sport" brigade turns up, please save it. This stuff is normal, everyday showing producing and I couldn't count the number of times I heard "yes we know it's cruel but it works"...

So, back to the original query. Why all the fuss about dressage riders using Rollkur, show jumpers using draw reins, but not about this? '

As you say, it's all been said before (Munchkin).
 
Ok so you can't post the video but can you at least explain what this other extreme and similar technique that other riders were employing? if you feel to strongly about what ever it was you have seen then please do explain in more detail, I am sure everyone is concerned as to what you have seen.
 
I gave examples. I saw it with my own eyes, I argued my point 'til I was blue in the face. I answered any questions that were fired at me. I sent an e-mail to Nigel Hollings on the advice of one of the less hysterical showing people who responded to the thread (as yet, no reply).

So, are you going to answer my questions? Or not?

In case you missed them, they were as follows:

- WHAT did you see?
- WHERE did you see it?
- HOW do you get more extreme than Rollkur?
- WHY can this footage not be shared?

I await your timely response...
 
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Where did you copy and paste that from?

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Something I posted a few weeks ago! Sort of failing to see the relevance but I'm sure Andy will be kind enough to find it and send you the link whilst he's busy avoiding answering my queries...
 
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No, I am not going to answer any of those questions, sorry.

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I smell a troll, people. I rather suspect Andy has seen none of these things - just wants attention by whipping up another heated debate. Do not feed..
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No, I am not going to answer any of those questions, sorry.

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So, in summary, you saw something somewhere once but you can't tell us what, when or where, which makes us all advocates of whatever it is you saw.

Okay cokey. See ya later.
 
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No, I am not going to answer any of those questions, sorry.

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If you can't even just explain what it is you have seen on this video (no need to give names etc) then everything you have posted about, expressing your views and exposing the downside and cruel methods of the showing world was all for nothing then, its like bragging to everyone you have a secret and not telling anyone
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stand by your morals and explain what it is you have seen, otherwise its a pretty pointless post.
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What a timewaster!!!! go away, the people on this forum deserve better that someone winding them up!!
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Here is a short list of things I witnessed on a daily basis whilst being involved in the world of showing:

1. The one they all use, tying their ponies' heads in and leaving them in their stables 24/7 to "produce topline"
2. The other one they all use, over feeding to "produce topline"
3. Slicing the corner of the ponies' mouths to make sure they cannot take any contact and hurt dear little brat's hands... god forbid brat should learn to ride, how yesterday!
4. Lunging all night in tight side reins (people doing shifts through the night) in trot to ensure pony is too exhausted to misbehave with child in the ring the following day
5. Following above, withholding water and feeding enormous feed immediately prior to ring entry
6. Dyeing ponies who made have inadvertently seen sunlight and bleached their coats. Or, in fact, because they fancy them black rather than bay that day.
7. Painting white markings onto their faces with paint that does, after a few uses, burn the skin and scar the white mark on permanently. Wouldn't want a plain face now would we?
8. Tying horse's head to its tail and again forcing it to stand all day twisted round, to "teach it to respect the rein"
9. Feeding so much the pony ends up with laminitis, but continuing to feed it the same amount for the rest of its short life whilst filling it with bute to reduce the inflammation in its feet. One died of liver failure in the time I was there (NOT very long)
10. Lunging in hyperflexion, or tying horse down into hyperflexion then riding it with no contact on usual reins. Also saw two horses die this way after flipping over to escape the discomfort (sadly whilst being lunged, rather than onto their riders)
11. Rugging up to the eyeballs in the middle of summer whilst standing ponies under hot lamps to the point where they were blowing and sweating (but it's okay, because it keeps their coats looking nice (and costs less in hair dye))

That's just off the top of my head.


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balls did you come up with those yourself. i am 100% certain you copied and pasted that WORD FOR WORD off a previous post on here a few weeks ago...no joke. i recognise the list of things in the showing world, and some of the sarcastic comments/jokes within the list.

this is a completley pointless post...and to be frank - is just an attempt toi irritate the hell out of all of us on HHO. there is no point in coming up with a vague outrage story, with no evidence or way to back it up, and expect some sort of support from us.

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