UNBELIEVABLE!!! RE- people who don't wrap their horses up 'cosy warm'

I think it's a little null and void to talk about unclipped horses naked, unclipped horse in this that and t'other.
OP isn't talking about an unclipped horse... so it has no bearing. If anyone has their blanket clipped-esque horses out naked now, those are worth hearing from!!

However agree the best course of action is actually speaking to someone and not us :)
 
ISHmad said:
I'm one of the cruel ones as our native lives out unrugged 24/7 with lots of shelter and able to go in and out of his stable as he pleases. No rug I put on him would be better than the superb insulation he has grown for himself. My other horses are rugged lightly, none are clipped.
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This is relevant because??
 
There are a couple on our yard out naked and i think it's fine, they dont seem cold or unhappy.
Chico isnt clipped but has a very fine coat and he is only in a MW rug, if the temperature drops below -10 he will get his HW but i wont put any layer etc under it as they just arent necessary.
Horses are much hardier than we give them credit for so i try my best not to over rug.
 
JFTD said:
It's not common sense to put a HW rug on a pony with a thick coat who is merely bib clipped, though... It is hardly common sense to presume that because a human is cold, a horse will be too. It is common sense to look at the individual animal and assess how much you've clipped off, how well it's holding condition, how much natural protection remains. I don't think Turitea was promoting leaving a fine, fully clipped, shivering horse out in sub zero temperatures, tbf...
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I agree with all you've posted, with the exception of Turitea's post. That's exactly how I read it.
 
I don't want to get involved too much, but I've just popped in to say that all horses are different.

There's one TB on the yard, who shivvers even when unclipped and he's still chilly with one rug on, so he has 2. The other TB doesn't get as cold, so just has one, even though his hair is finer and he's skinnier.

For the record, I often wear: Thermal vest, t-shirt, 3 hoodies and a coat :P I get VERY cold!
 
Amymay it is relevant because of OPs comments about cruel nakedness of an unclipped horse as well as a clipped horse. Not that I really need to explain myself to you if you had read the first post fully.
 
Annielusian said:
I don't want to get involved too much, but I've just popped in to say that all horses are different.

There's one TB on the yard, who shivvers even when unclipped and he's still chilly with one rug on, so he has 2. The other TB doesn't get as cold, so just has one, even though his hair is finer and he's skinnier.

For the record, I often wear: Thermal vest, t-shirt, 3 hoodies and a coat :P I get VERY cold!
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I don't see what the relevance is to the original post.....
 
Unclipped youngster - naked
Full clipped welsh d (including legs out) - JUST gone into heavyweights.

Both thriving and doing well. If the weather is anything like it is here, I would put horses with a smaller type of clip out naked today. There's no wind or rain and the sun is out.
 
I over rug my horse because it makes me happy to know that he is roasting! JEEZ!

I clip him out fully when he doesnt really need it ;)

I also have had him in a set of draw reins and he NEVER EVER hacks out!

People do things differently, other people rant freely about all sorts of things - I just chose this one today :D nice to see HHO still have a good ole' fire burning in its belly though!
 
Winklepoker said:
The horse has a modified clip, which has left a patch over his rump, so from the wither down to what seems to turn into a blanket clip at the back. He would condition score in on the poor side of moderate and the owners cannot afford the extra hay/food to supplement this.
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Which puts a different spin on it and the horse would probably benefit from rugging and being fed properly.
 
ISHmad said:
Amymay it is relevant because of OPs comments about cruel nakedness of an unclipped horse as well as a clipped horse. Not that I really need to explain myself to you if you had read the first post fully.
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My apologies too I hadn't noticed the snuck in comment about the unclipped one too!
OP, I really think if your morals run all that deep, you'll go to yard owner. Its crap that its "diy" they still have a duty of care to the animals kept on their land. So if I were you I'd remind them of that and go get them to make these owners lives a nightmare and get them to explain themselves to YO and then maybe he can explain to you.
 
Amymay, I read turitea's post in the context of these...

Winklepoker said:
I dont care how natural you like your horses to be, would you shut your child/husband/hamster out in the cold, in the nude and spray them with cold water?? I DONT THINK SO!!!!
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Winklepoker said:
Would you throw your husband outside naked to shed his Christmas love handles then!!!
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xspiralx said:
You're a human, not a horse.
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Turitea said:
Horses are not humans, stop treating them like they were. Drives me mad when people say "I am cold, hence my horse has to be cold too". What do they teach you over there? ;)
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Had turitea not posted that, I might have! Hence my post. However, if turitea would like to come and correct my interpretation and your interpretation is closer to their intentions, you have my apologies and I shall stalk away quietly :)
 
Personally I wouldn't ever clip a horse for work and then not rug it. What we have taken away we must then provide, especially on a blood horse.
Can totally understand natives being kept out without rugs when unclipped. Hate seeing fat hairy natives rugged. However any horse bred for sport, especially clipped that hasn't evolved to live on welsh hills needs to be rugged. End of.
Even if I turned my TB away for the winter and he was unclipped I would still put a good winter rug on him. He's used to wearing rugs, he doesn't grow the coat or produce the oils to keep himself sufficiently warm in minus temps. Hairy ponies, cobs and youngstock - totally different kettles of fish.
 
Mine are out naked im not cruel. 'my oldie is rugged my two youngsters are naked they are welsh D's bred to survive on the side of a mountain, they have plenty of hay, had a warm breakfast this morning and have shelter that they aren't standing in. I'm not ignorant or cruel they just don't need rugs!
 
monkeybum13 said:
That's a rather silly assumption to make.
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And why is that???


I don't think so your entitle to your opinion.

I have known too many novices want to clip and not realizing they need to put rugs on. When you tell them they say Cant afford a rug!
I am not dissing those who don't rug with like a bib clip I am referring to those who clip out .
 
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We have 18 horses of varying types. 6 of these are clipped, 2 clipped horses live out.

Nothing is wearing more than ONE mw rug. We took necks off all rugs because they were too warm.

We have one very fine pony out naked every day. He is very fat, very furry and does not need a rug.

One of the clipped boys that lives out is a rug houdini, once he is out of his rug he loves to have a good roll and scratch followed by a sunbathe! He refuses to be caught once naked too.

Stable rugs are all LW.

Personally I think if you stick your hand in a horses rug and they feel really warm then they are too warm.

I hate over rugging, creates too many pressure points IMO. Buy a bigger rug.
 
Winklepoker said:
I over rug my horse because it makes me happy to know that he is roasting! JEEZ!

I clip him out fully when he doesnt really need it ;)

I also have had him in a set of draw reins and he NEVER EVER hacks out!

People do things differently, other people rant freely about all sorts of things - I just chose this one today :D nice to see HHO still have a good ole' fire burning in its belly though!
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Hee hee! I must say your poor horse looks throughly unhappy and neglected in your signature, never seen one look so thin, hot and miserable ;), you are a MEAN MEAN mummy! :D
 
Oh dear :o

Mine is in his medium turnout with a full clip as he hates getting hot and if over rugged he starts fretting and hooning around which obviously make things worse.

They also have no hay out- they will only be out for 4 hours today and usually 6 max.

He will be in his heavyweight for the rest of the week though- looking at the forecast. :D
 
TigerTail said:
Dear god what an over reaction!

Some horses do not need layers of rugs, clipped or unclipped. Some have a very dense coat which keeps them plenty warm. If the sun is out NO horse needs a damn rug on anyway.

Also they could be trying to get the horse to lose weight so that it is not obese and at risk of lami come spring etc

It is far worse to over rug, which to be frank sounds like you are doing, than to under rug.

Theyre animals, born and bred to live outside etc etc - not to be trussed up in blankets like replacement children.
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Far worse for a horse to be over-rugged and constantly buried in layers and layers, never getting the chance to feel the sun on his back.

Agreed. OP you are over rugging your poor horse,its crueler than leaving a clipped horse out naked!!!!!!!
 
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