Natch
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Since the share agreement only started in march, I'm afraid anything which happened before then would be null and void in my book.
Unbiased views on this confusing situation please..
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Since the share agreement only started in march, I'm afraid anything which happened before then would be null and void in my book.
marmalade76
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I'm with the sharer on this one, I would be peed off if it were me! Owner hardly saw the horse when the weather was pants and there was work to do, now it's nice and there are shows to go to the owner makes an appearence again!
OK, the sharer was only paying half, but just think how much she has saved the owner in full livery fees, as that sounds like what she would have needed had she not had such a reliable sharer.
Agree that whatever happened before this arrangement has nothing to do with it.
Good, trustworthy, reliable sharers are hard to come by - look after them!
OK, the sharer was only paying half, but just think how much she has saved the owner in full livery fees, as that sounds like what she would have needed had she not had such a reliable sharer.
Agree that whatever happened before this arrangement has nothing to do with it.
Good, trustworthy, reliable sharers are hard to come by - look after them!
rockysmum
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I understand where the owner is coming from as its their horse.
However the way things are at the moment they need to be very careful not to loose the sharer.
There are a lot of people out there who would love someone to pay half their costs and do all the work when necessary. In some cases the sharer could do all the riding and competing.
At the moment we dont have time for our three but could not part with any of them.
I have a sharer who does not pay anything towards the costs, I have never asked her.
She can ride whenever she wants and compete if she wanted to.
I am very happy with this arrangement as I completely trust her with the horses care and well being, not something thats easy to find.
Times are getting harder and I'm guessing that more and more people will need help to afford to keep their horses. If the owner has found someone good, hang onto her
However the way things are at the moment they need to be very careful not to loose the sharer.
There are a lot of people out there who would love someone to pay half their costs and do all the work when necessary. In some cases the sharer could do all the riding and competing.
At the moment we dont have time for our three but could not part with any of them.
I have a sharer who does not pay anything towards the costs, I have never asked her.
She can ride whenever she wants and compete if she wanted to.
I am very happy with this arrangement as I completely trust her with the horses care and well being, not something thats easy to find.
Times are getting harder and I'm guessing that more and more people will need help to afford to keep their horses. If the owner has found someone good, hang onto her
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xspiralx
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Like others, I can see both sides - although I find it slightly amusing that everytime someone gives some unbiased advice, the OP posts in defence of the owner!
Ultimately, the horse belongs to the owner and therefore it is her right to ride as much or as little as she likes [or at least up to 50% of the time with loaner paying half].
However I can see why the loaner feels aggrieved, having had sole responsibility for the horse for months, including doing all the mucking out etc - and then its nice weather and the owner pops back on the scene to have some fun whilst admitting they will be bowing out again come winter time. Yes, that is what happens when you share other people's, but it doesn't make it fun!
Before the loaner probably felt they were getting great value for money, and now not so much - and overall I would say the responsibility lies with the owner, as they were the one who changed the goalposts.
Ultimately, the horse belongs to the owner and therefore it is her right to ride as much or as little as she likes [or at least up to 50% of the time with loaner paying half].
However I can see why the loaner feels aggrieved, having had sole responsibility for the horse for months, including doing all the mucking out etc - and then its nice weather and the owner pops back on the scene to have some fun whilst admitting they will be bowing out again come winter time. Yes, that is what happens when you share other people's, but it doesn't make it fun!
Before the loaner probably felt they were getting great value for money, and now not so much - and overall I would say the responsibility lies with the owner, as they were the one who changed the goalposts.
ihatework
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I can see it from both sides of the arguement, but I do think the point Marmalade76 has made is very valid.
Also consider maybe the sharer didn't want the horse to go to the show perhaps because it had possibly done 3 weekends on the trot ....
Open communication between both the parties is needed I think.
LaurenM
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I can see it from the part time loaner's eyes - she feels she's done all the work and now the weather is better she feels the owner wants to take over.
The agreement was always in place and she only pays half. If she wants a horse to herself maybe she should buy her own.
I've part loaned before and wasn't happy so left and bought my own. It was a win win situation!
The agreement was always in place and she only pays half. If she wants a horse to herself maybe she should buy her own.
I've part loaned before and wasn't happy so left and bought my own. It was a win win situation!
Brandy
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The agreement doesn't sound much like a part loaner to me. She is paying part time money, but pretty much riding and looking after full time.
If it were me (owner) I would try to make an agreement whereby on the days I had the horse to ride, I also did all the care and the part loaner didn't come. On the days the part loaners rides, she does the care and owner needn't (but can still if she wants) come. She is the owner after all.
I can see both points really. If owner is not going to be able to do as much at some points of the year and more at others, they need to draw up a couple of agreements, and both agree to them!
If it were me (owner) I would try to make an agreement whereby on the days I had the horse to ride, I also did all the care and the part loaner didn't come. On the days the part loaners rides, she does the care and owner needn't (but can still if she wants) come. She is the owner after all.
I can see both points really. If owner is not going to be able to do as much at some points of the year and more at others, they need to draw up a couple of agreements, and both agree to them!
lexiedhb
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Think I would be a bit peed off if I was the sharer, especially as ower has already said she wont be around much this winter..... owner cant expect part loaner to deal with the mud/rain/cold and then swan in wanting to ride/compete when the weather is good you cant have your cake and eat it!
There should be set days all year round (Im a sharer, its what I do), so all the work is shared.
There should be set days all year round (Im a sharer, its what I do), so all the work is shared.
EquestrianFairy
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Thanks for all the replies:
Marmalade 76- you make a valid point but people are forgetting that had the part loaner had the horse over the entire winter then yes i would totally agree but she didnt, she had the last two months. The horse would not have gone on full livery as there is no full livery at the yard- the owner would have just persisted. Unfort she became ill which is what prompted this to come about however had she not found someone then it would have been a case of 'tough luck' and as it is her horse she would of had to continue regardless. Financial issues werent the problem it was more the fact the owner needed to rest.
xsprialx- its not done on purpose.. both the owner and part loaner are important people in my life and i dont want it to end in tears for anyone. The part loaner was aware after a few months the owner would be wanting to ride again- i appreciate it comes around in summer but it is purely coincidence. The owner didnt say they would be bowing out, all she said was that at the moment she doesnt know what days uni is etc so will know nearer the time.
The loaner was getting great value for money for two months but the owner was also getting no value for money for two months so each to a degree have benefitted or lost.
ihatework- yes the horse had been to a show 3 weekends on the trot and the part loaner and sharer both agreed to the shows etc. (I was there when it was done actually) Plus.. we dont get much of summer so everyone wants to make the most of it.
Brandy- A written agreement was suggested (a while back) but the part sharer said she didnt want it to be as strict as that so it wasnt mentioned again. Although i have said to both i feel it would be better as i have had one in the past (although that was a full loan) and it worked well but hey ho.
Its clear its very much split in respect of owner/part loaner.. hopefully there new arrangement will work this time around anyway.. time will tell.
Marmalade 76- you make a valid point but people are forgetting that had the part loaner had the horse over the entire winter then yes i would totally agree but she didnt, she had the last two months. The horse would not have gone on full livery as there is no full livery at the yard- the owner would have just persisted. Unfort she became ill which is what prompted this to come about however had she not found someone then it would have been a case of 'tough luck' and as it is her horse she would of had to continue regardless. Financial issues werent the problem it was more the fact the owner needed to rest.
xsprialx- its not done on purpose.. both the owner and part loaner are important people in my life and i dont want it to end in tears for anyone. The part loaner was aware after a few months the owner would be wanting to ride again- i appreciate it comes around in summer but it is purely coincidence. The owner didnt say they would be bowing out, all she said was that at the moment she doesnt know what days uni is etc so will know nearer the time.
The loaner was getting great value for money for two months but the owner was also getting no value for money for two months so each to a degree have benefitted or lost.
ihatework- yes the horse had been to a show 3 weekends on the trot and the part loaner and sharer both agreed to the shows etc. (I was there when it was done actually) Plus.. we dont get much of summer so everyone wants to make the most of it.
Brandy- A written agreement was suggested (a while back) but the part sharer said she didnt want it to be as strict as that so it wasnt mentioned again. Although i have said to both i feel it would be better as i have had one in the past (although that was a full loan) and it worked well but hey ho.
Its clear its very much split in respect of owner/part loaner.. hopefully there new arrangement will work this time around anyway.. time will tell.
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Miss.Geek
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I can see it from both sides, like most people on here have said.
The part loaner was getting full loan for half the price basically so that now the owner can ride and even though it has been agreed that the owner can ride a couple days a week the part loaner will not be happy that she spent months mucking out and riding every day and now has to work round the owner.
The owner sees that the part loaner has had the horse for a few months and whilst not being able to ride, the part loaner has ridden daily. She has given her plenty of notice that she is going to start riding again and if the part loaner isn't taking the horse to the show the owner should be able to.
It's tricky because the part owner will feel she should get to ride whenever she wants. I don't think this situation will last for much longer and maybe the owner should take the horse back and find someone that will be more suitable.
The part loaner was getting full loan for half the price basically so that now the owner can ride and even though it has been agreed that the owner can ride a couple days a week the part loaner will not be happy that she spent months mucking out and riding every day and now has to work round the owner.
The owner sees that the part loaner has had the horse for a few months and whilst not being able to ride, the part loaner has ridden daily. She has given her plenty of notice that she is going to start riding again and if the part loaner isn't taking the horse to the show the owner should be able to.
It's tricky because the part owner will feel she should get to ride whenever she wants. I don't think this situation will last for much longer and maybe the owner should take the horse back and find someone that will be more suitable.