Unusual filly colour..

Shes lovely what ever the correct name for her colour :D

I call mine yellow on here just because its easier technicly he's a buckskin I think but most people refer to him as dun so I tend to use dun.
 
rhino said:
If neither parent was grey she can't grey out :D

These are your possible options

29.17% buckskin tobiano
29.17% buckskin (which obviously she's not)
16.67% palomino tobiano (again, not)
16.67% palomino (not)
4.17% smokey black tobiano
4.17% smokey black (not)

My bet would be buckskin tobiano :D
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That really is geeky!! I'll do the odd punnett square now and again but that must have been a relatively involved one to work out! Sad sack :p :D
 
I do indeed

Day old..

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4 days old...

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It is possible to be a dun AND a buckskin. Obviously due to sire being buckskin, she will be buckskin, but that does not mean she is not also dun, if either parent had the dun gene. Your filly has a face mask which is one of the most reliable indicators of dun and also the start of a dorsal stripe. It only stops because of the white over her back. Of course a dorsal strip may just be counter shading and she may not be dun, and the face mask of a dun is normally over the bridge of the nose, but I am just saying that you cannot rule dun out just because she is buckskin. The mottling effect in her coat looks like roaning more than greying. It's all very interesting.
 
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Wagtail said:
It is possible to be a dun AND a buckskin. Obviously due to sire being buckskin, she will be buckskin, but that does not mean she is not also dun, if either parent had the dun gene. Your filly has a face mask which is one of the most reliable indicators of dun and also the start of a dorsal stripe. It only stops because of the white over her back. Of course a dorsal strip may just be counter shading and she may not be dun, and the face mask of a dun is normally over the bridge of the nose, but I am just saying that you cannot rule dun out just because she is buckskin. The mottling effect in her coat looks like roaning more than greying. It's all very interesting.
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If dam is connie x arab then there is no dun in either of those breeds so no dun factor from dam.

If sire was bay tobiano then no dun factor from him either.

The dun gene is dominant.

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rhino said:
If dam is connie x arab then there is no dun in either of those breeds so no dun factor from dam.

If sire was bay tobiano then no dun factor from him either.

The dun gene is dominant.

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I'm being pedantic here, but if the sire has been gene tested as bay toibiano, you are right, but if not, it is possible that he is red dun tobiano. Doubtful, but possible.
 
seriously one of the prettiest horses I've ever seen, I love the first picture! such a bambi face.
lucky you!
 
Elunana - Bunty in her winter woolies :)

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Sorry they arent very good, Im far from a budding photographer!! lol

Can I say thank you to everyone who has replied as well - Im really appreciative, and its great to read everyones opinions xx
 
Hey!! I have a continuation of topic question : If a horse has a dorsal stripe does that tell you whether or not they will stay dun or buckskin - Bunty's case Tabiano buckskin..?
 
rhino said:
If dam is connie x arab then there is no dun in either of those breeds so no dun factor from dam.

If sire was bay tobiano then no dun factor from him either.

The dun gene is dominant.

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Have I got this right or misread ... are you saying theres no dun in the connie breed because there is. Or are you saying that it's not in the dam because she is grey and dun is dominant over grey and so she would be dun if carried that gene?
 
spottyUnicorn said:
Have I got this right or misread ... are you saying theres no dun in the connie breed because there is. Or are you saying that it's not in the dam because she is grey and dun is dominant over grey and so she would be dun if carried that gene?
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There is no dun in the Conemara breed. What has been known as dun in the breed is actually buckskin which is a different gene.
 
spottyUnicorn said:
Have I got this right or misread ... are you saying theres no dun in the connie breed because there is. Or are you saying that it's not in the dam because she is grey and dun is dominant over grey and so she would be dun if carried that gene?
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Connemaras carry the genes for buckskin; the only natives to carry dun genes are highlands and shetlands. Mostly they are still registered as 'dun' but they're genetically buckskin.
 
spottyUnicorn said:
Have I got this right or misread ... are you saying theres no dun in the connie breed because there is. Or are you saying that it's not in the dam because she is grey and dun is dominant over grey and so she would be dun if carried that gene?
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All horses that carry the grey gene will turn grey no matter what colour their base colour is. Dun is not dominant to grey. Grey is a masking gene. It masks the horse's 'true' colour.
 
Umm ... s4sugar and Rhino that's quite interesting ... I have just found something about connies/dilutes/buckskins/duns on the net so will have a read, it might make sense of what you are saying. So are all these connie breed sites that list dun as a breed colour technically just out of date in their use of the word dun?
 
spottyUnicorn said:
Umm ... s4sugar and Rhino that's quite interesting ... I have just found something about connies/dilutes/buckskins/duns on the net so will have a read, it might make sense of what you are saying. So are all these connie breed sites that list dun as a breed colour technically just out of date in their use of the word dun?
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Yes. A lot of it is wanting to hold on to the 'tradition' I think, there are still a lot of people that think buckskin is an 'Americanism' but it is just down to knowing more about the genes causing the colour. :D
 
If I was to say Bunty's sire was tested to be homozygous black and homozygous agouti.... would this make her final colour any easier to work out??
 
diluteherd said:
I just googled it and came up with this thread...

http://www.horsegroomingsupplies.com/horse-forums/homozygous-black-x-cremello-82896.html

so there's not much point testing for grey then is its highly unlikely she will end up grey?? :confused:
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Double dilutes - i.e. cremellos and palominos, can both 'mask' grey, they do not grey out the way other horses do but can pass on the grey gene to offspring. The only way you will be able to tell for definite is to test for the grey gene.

There can't be grey from the sire, but there is a minimal chance that the dam is masking the grey colour.

ETA this explains it better, but you can see what a common misconception it is!
http://forum.cyberhorse.com.au/forums/archive/index.php/t-20378.html
 
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